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Westgate aftermath – What to do
limanika
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:47:44 PM
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I take it that the other thread is for updates and in any case too long / tired. It is only fair we start another thread on solutions and how we could have prevented the sad event.

It is known that you can buy your way out of anything in Kenya, hence it is possible someone turned a blind eye and allowed these terrorists to pass through the borders or even issued them with fake ID documents. The authorities are aware of this corruption problem and should have devised ways to net / outsmart corrupt officers by now. From where I sit, they are either accomplices or not willing to deal with the situation.

To start us off with solutions- The approach to war against terror should be multi-pronged as in- Step 1- Put measures in place to ensure terrorists do not gain entry. Step 2 – In the event they gain entry, ensure there are measures in place to detect and arrest them. Step 3a – In case they escape police dragnet, ensure they are not able to attack. Step 3b – Classify possible targets and designate security measures for each. For instance, it doesn’t make sense that entrances to shopping malls and important public buildings do not have gun detectors. It also does not make sense that a body guard to a simple MP has a gun, yet guards guarding 1000+ people (including VIPs) in Westgate do not have any guns.
Any other ideas?
Shak
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:48:19 PM
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Secure the border with Somalia with a 20 metre high super reinforced concrete wall
simonkabz
#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:00:38 PM
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First things first! Heads must roll!!! Send some cops packing n some immigration follows to the cooler. Then we can start talking!
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Impunity
#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:03:44 PM
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Shak wrote:
Secure the border with Somalia with a 20 metre high super reinforced concrete wall


The fence idea though very expensive hasnt worked very well in Israel despite their financial might...its even employed in some sections of the US border with Mexico...It can slow their movement but eventually they will crawl in.
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Magigi
#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:05:51 PM
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We should do nothing! What did we do after that accident at Mahi Mahiu - Narok road and almost the same number of people perished? Let us move on>>
McReggae
#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:13:57 PM
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Magigi wrote:
We should do nothing! What did we do after that accident at Mahi Mahiu - Narok road and almost the same number of people perished? Let us move on>>


We should have blood and MPesa drives each time we are affected as a nation, remember 'When our 40 soldiers were killed in baragoi, When the poor kenyans died in city to city bus, When the suffering kenyans died in sinai fire, When the poor died in sachangwan fire......we didn't have such massive drives for help!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Litro
#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:18:41 PM
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limanika wrote:
I take it that the other thread is for updates and in any case too long / tired. It is only fair we start another thread on solutions and how we could have prevented the sad event.

It is known that you can buy your way out of anything in Kenya, hence it is possible someone turned a blind eye and allowed these terrorists to pass through the borders or even issued them with fake ID documents. The authorities are aware of this corruption problem and should have devised ways to net / outsmart corrupt officers by now. From where I sit, they are either accomplices or not willing to deal with the situation.

To start us off with solutions- The approach to war against terror should be multi-pronged as in- Step 1- Put measures in place to ensure terrorists do not gain entry. Step 2 – In the event they gain entry, ensure there are measures in place to detect and arrest them. Step 3a – In case they escape police dragnet, ensure they are not able to attack. Step 3b – Classify possible targets and designate security measures for each. For instance, it doesn’t make sense that entrances to shopping malls and important public buildings do not have gun detectors. It also does not make sense that a body guard to a simple MP has a gun, yet guards guarding 1000+ people (including VIPs) in Westgate do not have any guns.
Any other ideas?


We also need to be cooperative...how many of us for instance refuse to be searched by guards whenever entering a building?
pleasecallme
#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:26:52 PM
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Support 100% -> One MP suggesting major empowerment & funding of institutions like red cross, other than pumping money to disaster management/special programmes ministries for which we don't see their input at times like this.
You kill bird...bird dead snake come.
Gathige
#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:36:07 PM
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@Limanika, Good observation.

Transformation of societies only happen when catastrophes of immeasurable magnitude occur. eg the almost complete extermination of Jews that has created a community that has said "Never Again". You touch one wherever and whenever you are and you face the full might of them all over the world. Too the almost complete destruction of Europe in World wars created communities that will not take arms on each other.

As a nation we have not yet experienced a real shock that can move our national conscience for real. Our yesterday villains are our hero's today and we seem to never learn. Gradually, our national conscience will "grow up" and then we can build our nation. We still take arms against each other in the name of tribes, suffer setback and we recover and go on but our conscience remains unchanged.

"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
simonkabz
#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:47:41 PM
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pleasecallme wrote:
Support 100% -> One MP suggesting major empowerment & funding of institutions like red cross, other than pumping money to disaster management/special programmes ministries for which we don't see their input at times like this.

TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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