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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/17/2010 Posts: 1,163 Location: Sudan
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How powerful and independent is the Egyptian Armed forces. That they give president ultimatums? Look at it this way, Had our Armed Forces talked just before PEV, would they have made a difference. How Independent is our Jeshi, and is it a good idea? Link: The standard Newspaper Hard Copy Page 32 Ama:http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000087269&story_title=Kenya-egypt-s-army-gives-parties-48-hours-to-resolve-crisis "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Um Sayala wrote:How powerful and independent is the Egyptian Armed forces. That they give president ultimatums?
Look at it this way, Had our Armed Forces talked just before PEV, would they have made a difference. How Independent is our Jeshi, and is it a good idea?
Link: The standard Newspaper Hard Copy Page 32
Ama:http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000087269&story_title=Kenya-egypt-s-army-gives-parties-48-hours-to-resolve-crisis They are doing this so that things dont go the Syria way uliona watu walikiwa Tahrir square over the weekend wangeamua violence ingekuwa mambo ingine...ministers are resigning left,right and centre...and imagine ati its coz in one year he hasnt fulfilled his pledges...just one year. I dont know whats it with power Morsi doesnt want to leave...this thing myt turn ugly. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/17/2010 Posts: 1,163 Location: Sudan
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@Maka I agree. But is it possible in Kenya to have independent institutions and systems, trusted and respected like theirs? Rumours had it that some people were not willing to work with certain presidential candidate if he won. Zimbabwe's generals always say they'd not recognise Tchangirai if elected. "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Um Sayala wrote:How powerful and independent is the Egyptian Armed forces. That they give president ultimatums?
Look at it this way, Had our Armed Forces talked just before PEV, would they have made a difference. How Independent is our Jeshi, and is it a good idea?
Link: The standard Newspaper Hard Copy Page 32
Ama:http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000087269&story_title=Kenya-egypt-s-army-gives-parties-48-hours-to-resolve-crisis What is 'independence'? 'Slavery' by other means. Truth is dependence, and knowledge of this brings forth 'mutualism', and freedom. The Egyptian army isn't independent; and neither should you think the armed forces can ever be independent.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/6/2010 Posts: 741 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Um Sayala wrote:How powerful and independent is the Egyptian Armed forces. That they give president ultimatums?
Look at it this way, Had our Armed Forces talked just before PEV, would they have made a difference. How Independent is our Jeshi, and is it a good idea?
Link: The standard Newspaper Hard Copy Page 32
Ama:http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000087269&story_title=Kenya-egypt-s-army-gives-parties-48-hours-to-resolve-crisis What is 'independence'? 'Slavery' by other means. Truth is dependence, and knowledge of this brings forth 'mutualism', and freedom. The Egyptian army isn't independent; and neither should you think the armed forces can ever be independent. I really admire Egyptians. I am filled with love for that country and its kinsmen and I think Kenyans can learn a thing or two from the land of the Pharaohs. I have been to Egypt twice. my first time was in 2007 as a tourist and i fell in love with the country. My second time was in 2011 as a volunteer and i stayed there for a while. These guys are extremely patriotic. They will die for their country anytime and the best thing about it is that it is the young people, irrespective of their social background, who are fighting for prosperity. They say, "Bread, Freedom and Social Justice." I witnessed one of the protests and a gathering When they were marking the 25th January Anniversary. These guys show up in their masses; old, rich, poor, man, woman, child. it was completely amazing!! I wish Kenyans could love their country this much. The good thing about Egypt is their patriotism and for sure they will not let things go out of hand. things will get bloody but it will never go the Syria way. The army, under SCAF, tried holding on to power for a long time. But after pressure from the people they let go. Kenyans have a lot to learn from these guys. When will you ever hear of Ministers resigning in support of the people's will???
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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chepkel wrote:tycho wrote:Um Sayala wrote:How powerful and independent is the Egyptian Armed forces. That they give president ultimatums?
Look at it this way, Had our Armed Forces talked just before PEV, would they have made a difference. How Independent is our Jeshi, and is it a good idea?
Link: The standard Newspaper Hard Copy Page 32
Ama:http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000087269&story_title=Kenya-egypt-s-army-gives-parties-48-hours-to-resolve-crisis What is 'independence'? 'Slavery' by other means. Truth is dependence, and knowledge of this brings forth 'mutualism', and freedom. The Egyptian army isn't independent; and neither should you think the armed forces can ever be independent. I really admire Egyptians. I am filled with love for that country and its kinsmen and I think Kenyans can learn a thing or two from the land of the Pharaohs. I have been to Egypt twice. my first time was in 2007 as a tourist and i fell in love with the country. My second time was in 2011 as a volunteer and i stayed there for a while. These guys are extremely patriotic. They will die for their country anytime and the best thing about it is that it is the young people, irrespective of their social background, who are fighting for prosperity. They say, "Bread, Freedom and Social Justice." I witnessed one of the protests and a gathering When they were marking the 25th January Anniversary. These guys show up in their masses; old, rich, poor, man, woman, child. it was completely amazing!! I wish Kenyans could love their country this much. The good thing about Egypt is their patriotism and for sure they will not let things go out of hand. things will get bloody but it will never go the Syria way. The army, under SCAF, tried holding on to power for a long time. But after pressure from the people they let go. Kenyans have a lot to learn from these guys. When will you ever hear of Ministers resigning in support of the people's will??? Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists? It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:chepkel wrote:tycho wrote:Um Sayala wrote:How powerful and independent is the Egyptian Armed forces. That they give president ultimatums?
Look at it this way, Had our Armed Forces talked just before PEV, would they have made a difference. How Independent is our Jeshi, and is it a good idea?
Link: The standard Newspaper Hard Copy Page 32
Ama:http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000087269&story_title=Kenya-egypt-s-army-gives-parties-48-hours-to-resolve-crisis What is 'independence'? 'Slavery' by other means. Truth is dependence, and knowledge of this brings forth 'mutualism', and freedom. The Egyptian army isn't independent; and neither should you think the armed forces can ever be independent. I really admire Egyptians. I am filled with love for that country and its kinsmen and I think Kenyans can learn a thing or two from the land of the Pharaohs. I have been to Egypt twice. my first time was in 2007 as a tourist and i fell in love with the country. My second time was in 2011 as a volunteer and i stayed there for a while. These guys are extremely patriotic. They will die for their country anytime and the best thing about it is that it is the young people, irrespective of their social background, who are fighting for prosperity. They say, "Bread, Freedom and Social Justice." I witnessed one of the protests and a gathering When they were marking the 25th January Anniversary. These guys show up in their masses; old, rich, poor, man, woman, child. it was completely amazing!! I wish Kenyans could love their country this much. The good thing about Egypt is their patriotism and for sure they will not let things go out of hand. things will get bloody but it will never go the Syria way. The army, under SCAF, tried holding on to power for a long time. But after pressure from the people they let go. Kenyans have a lot to learn from these guys. When will you ever hear of Ministers resigning in support of the people's will??? Why is dying for your country a virtue? Who, or what, are the Egyptians protesting against? Morsi? Mubarak? The army? The Islamists? It's all a hoax. Dying for Egypt may mean killing the Ethiopians who are dying for Ethiopia. Dying for a country is dying for a barrier of selfish interest. haha.... they lived for 30 years in a state of emergency! actually if the army decides to do something they do. they withdrew their support from Mubarak and he was left limp. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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chepkel wrote:
I really admire Egyptians. I am filled with love for that country and its kinsmen and I think Kenyans can learn a thing or two from the land of the Pharaohs. I have been to Egypt twice. my first time was in 2007 as a tourist and i fell in love with the country. My second time was in 2011 as a volunteer and i stayed there for a while.
I love the Egyptians too, at least their women. But If I was to give them some advice at this time it would be this: "Relax. Take a deep breath and think what you are doing to your country - dependent as it is on tourism (read: international image and goodwill). Slogans and demonstrations are all well and good, but governing and creating lasting change is slow, uncertain, hard work with many setbacks. Mosi is no angel but you voted for him. Now give him time to deliver before you demand change. That is what democracy is about.""The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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..........looks like Morsy will have to give ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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McReggae wrote:..........looks like Morsy will have to give I fear you could be right. And then the madness will really start. Those who think the Muslim Brotherhood will go quietly have a painful lesson to learn. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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Democracy or anarchy? It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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Flashback
Hosni Mubarak overstayed? Yes. Was the economy better during Mubarak's time? Yes. Was Egypt relatively stable during Mubarak's time? Yes.
Fast-forward
Is the economy better with now? No. The economy is doing badly. Is the country stable after Mubarak? No. The situation is worsening.
Same case with Libya.
This begs the question: was the "revolution" still-born? I think so. There's evidence to prove it.
Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,634
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InnovateGuy wrote:Flashback
Hosni Mubarak overstayed? Yes. Was the economy better during Mubarak's time? Yes. Was Egypt relatively stable during Mubarak's time? Yes.
Fast-forward
Is the economy better with now? No. The economy is doing badly. Is the country stable after Mubarak? No. The situation is worsening.
Same case with Libya.
This begs the question: was the "revolution" still-born? I think so. There's evidence to prove it.
I would not say the revolution was 'still born' - but its true effects will take time. People confuse revolution with social change, two events that go hand in hand but run on very different timelines. A few examples: 1. The Chinese Revolution started with the 'long march' or earlier. But the results of the social change took over 60 years and are only being fully realized now. 2. Closer to home - you could say Kenya's 'revolution' started in 1982. We are still working on the resultant social change. In fact Vision 2030 tells us we have some way to go. Someone needs to tell Egyptians to chill. They have a long way to go. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Now there are reports that the army has taken over state TV studios!! The muslim brotherhood has refused to meet the army officials. Mursi spokesman says the president would rather die 'like a standing tree' than to step down. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Ethiopia Likes this. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Ethiopia Likes this. Good one!!! This is looking bad, both have promised to shed blood for their stand........deadline expires in a few minutes!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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waform grand coalition. oar can be dispatched there to advise I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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digitek1 wrote:waform grand coalition. oar can be dispatched there to advise Seems this is what Morsi favours but the other wise want him out!!!! Power really changes people, the same Morsi before getting elected promised that if the people went down the street against him, he would resign!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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