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Kenya Economy Watch
KulaRaha
#1621 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2018 9:36:05 AM
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Obviously, considering it is so heavily managed by CBK
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Ericsson
#1622 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 12:31:19 AM
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Kenya economy grew by 5.7% in Q1 2018 while inflation averaged 4.5%.
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lochaz-index
#1623 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:11:33 AM
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Kenya cannot afford to take more loans since mega infrastructure projects undertaken by the Government are not making any money to repay debts.

Central Bank Governor Patrick Njoroge said the State had to abandon the model of borrowing and let the private sector drive the economy.

Debt mix.
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The three were speaking yesterday at the Moody’s fifth Annual East Africa Summit in Nairobi where the ratings firm pointed out that commercial borrowing has contributed to worsening debt affordability.

https://www.standardmedi..._twitter_impression=true
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wukan
#1624 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 3:33:51 PM
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Yesterday saw the first demos from the Nairobi business community. Tick tock...crunch timeSad

Quote:
The government is failing to pay many of its contractors on time, as corruption drains funds for legitimate projects from state coffers, suppliers and officials say.

The late payments are in turn hitting the financial sector, where non-performing loans have jumped this year to their highest level in more than a decade.
"No bank wants to finance you any more especially if you have a contract from the government," said one small business owner who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second supplier said: "You get disrupted in the middle of (the contract) ... either because you are not speaking to the right people, making commitments to the right people, or your payments may just be delayed."

https://www.the-star.co....s-state-coffers_c1782564
obiero
#1625 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 8:15:58 PM
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wukan wrote:
Yesterday saw the first demos from the Nairobi business community. Tick tock...crunch timeSad

Quote:
The government is failing to pay many of its contractors on time, as corruption drains funds for legitimate projects from state coffers, suppliers and officials say.

The late payments are in turn hitting the financial sector, where non-performing loans have jumped this year to their highest level in more than a decade.
"No bank wants to finance you any more especially if you have a contract from the government," said one small business owner who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second supplier said: "You get disrupted in the middle of (the contract) ... either because you are not speaking to the right people, making commitments to the right people, or your payments may just be delayed."

https://www.the-star.co....-state-coffers_c1782564

The two men have finished us

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Angelica _ann
#1626 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 9:46:27 PM
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The 0.05% tax on transfers of over .5m is crazy. They need to put an upper limit.
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sparkly
#1627 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:15:20 PM
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obiero wrote:
wukan wrote:
Yesterday saw the first demos from the Nairobi business community. Tick tock...crunch timeSad

Quote:
The government is failing to pay many of its contractors on time, as corruption drains funds for legitimate projects from state coffers, suppliers and officials say.

The late payments are in turn hitting the financial sector, where non-performing loans have jumped this year to their highest level in more than a decade.
"No bank wants to finance you any more especially if you have a contract from the government," said one small business owner who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second supplier said: "You get disrupted in the middle of (the contract) ... either because you are not speaking to the right people, making commitments to the right people, or your payments may just be delayed."

https://www.the-star.co....-state-coffers_c1782564

The two men have finished us


Their balls are being squeezed by IMF.
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Angelica _ann
#1628 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:23:20 PM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
wukan wrote:
Yesterday saw the first demos from the Nairobi business community. Tick tock...crunch timeSad

Quote:
The government is failing to pay many of its contractors on time, as corruption drains funds for legitimate projects from state coffers, suppliers and officials say.

The late payments are in turn hitting the financial sector, where non-performing loans have jumped this year to their highest level in more than a decade.
"No bank wants to finance you any more especially if you have a contract from the government," said one small business owner who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second supplier said: "You get disrupted in the middle of (the contract) ... either because you are not speaking to the right people, making commitments to the right people, or your payments may just be delayed."

https://www.the-star.co....-state-coffers_c1782564

The two men have finished us


Their balls are being squeezed by IMF.


Kwani how come IMF never did this in the 10 years of Kibaki rule?
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ericsson
#1629 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 6:38:39 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
wukan wrote:
Yesterday saw the first demos from the Nairobi business community. Tick tock...crunch timeSad

Quote:
The government is failing to pay many of its contractors on time, as corruption drains funds for legitimate projects from state coffers, suppliers and officials say.

The late payments are in turn hitting the financial sector, where non-performing loans have jumped this year to their highest level in more than a decade.
"No bank wants to finance you any more especially if you have a contract from the government," said one small business owner who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second supplier said: "You get disrupted in the middle of (the contract) ... either because you are not speaking to the right people, making commitments to the right people, or your payments may just be delayed."

https://www.the-star.co....-state-coffers_c1782564

The two men have finished us


Their balls are being squeezed by IMF.


Kwani how come IMF never did this in the 10 years of Kibaki rule?


IMF come in when you mess up yourself/your economy.
If everything is going on well they stay afar.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
whiteowl
#1630 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 9:28:00 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
wukan wrote:
Yesterday saw the first demos from the Nairobi business community. Tick tock...crunch timeSad

Quote:
The government is failing to pay many of its contractors on time, as corruption drains funds for legitimate projects from state coffers, suppliers and officials say.

The late payments are in turn hitting the financial sector, where non-performing loans have jumped this year to their highest level in more than a decade.
"No bank wants to finance you any more especially if you have a contract from the government," said one small business owner who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second supplier said: "You get disrupted in the middle of (the contract) ... either because you are not speaking to the right people, making commitments to the right people, or your payments may just be delayed."

https://www.the-star.co....-state-coffers_c1782564

The two men have finished us


Their balls are being squeezed by IMF.


Kwani how come IMF never did this in the 10 years of Kibaki rule?


Kibaki had a balanced budget on his second financial year of his regime.The deficits after that were managable.
lochaz-index
#1631 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 11:21:27 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
The 0.05% tax on transfers of over .5m is crazy. They need to put an upper limit.

One of the most retrogressive/dumb taxes in the history of taxation. Add the increased excise tax on mobile transactions/fintech and it boggles the mind as to what the bureaucrats wanted to achieve with this. FYI the robinhood tax applies to bank a/c transactions, unit trusts, interbank transfers, buying of land, shares, fx & bonds if done through any banking platform etc.

No upper limit needed, it needs to be scrapped. But I guess they will only realise their folly once damage is evident.

To add salt to injury KBA came up with a nonsensical proposal to stifle banking transactions of over 1m.
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KulaRaha
#1632 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 12:19:03 PM
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That robinhood tax is an IMF tax, preparing us for debt default. Mark this post.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
maka
#1633 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 12:20:31 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
That robinhood tax is an IMF tax, preparing us for debt default. Mark this post.


If we default even on one single payment that will be the end of this country...
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whiteowl
#1634 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 12:33:50 PM
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maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
That robinhood tax is an IMF tax, preparing us for debt default. Mark this post.


If we default even on one single payment that will be the end of this country...


Reminds me of Cyprus when they taxed bank deposits for "one time only"
kawi254
#1635 Posted : Friday, July 06, 2018 3:17:37 PM
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whiteowl wrote:
maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
That robinhood tax is an IMF tax, preparing us for debt default. Mark this post.


If we default even on one single payment that will be the end of this country...


Reminds me of Cyprus when they taxed bank deposits for "one time only"


Also in 2015 IMF & ECB proposed a‘haircut’ of all bank deposits in Greece as part of a bailout.

Given the doomsday scenario who would Kenya chose to default? The chinese? IMF? Japan? OR a default is a default?
Ericsson
#1636 Posted : Saturday, July 07, 2018 8:50:24 PM
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kawi254 wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
That robinhood tax is an IMF tax, preparing us for debt default. Mark this post.


If we default even on one single payment that will be the end of this country...


Reminds me of Cyprus when they taxed bank deposits for "one time only"


Also in 2015 IMF & ECB proposed a‘haircut’ of all bank deposits in Greece as part of a bailout.

Given the doomsday scenario who would Kenya chose to default? The chinese? IMF? Japan? OR a default is a default?

Chinese first since they don't give budgetary support. Only finance projects
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Ericsson
#1637 Posted : Sunday, July 08, 2018 6:15:48 PM
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https://www.standardmedi...king-details-behind-sgr

Re-colonialism back
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guka
#1638 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:40:55 AM
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Wondering what are some of the best strategies given Kenya's debt position short-term to medium term given possibility of SAP's and shrinking economy? Hold cash in external currency? Bitcoin? How are you preparing for the ballooning debt risk? Or am I just being paranoid. The number of events over the past 6 months do not inspire confidence.
KulaRaha
#1639 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:18:08 AM
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Convert KES holding in USD...because CBK may not be able to defend once default looms.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Ericsson
#1640 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:14:36 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Convert KES holding in USD...because CBK may not be able to defend once default looms.


There will be no default;Gok has began cost cutting measures,freeze in projects and raising taxes to repay the debt.
You heard last week no starting new projects before completion of the existing ones.
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