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Horton
#1641 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2018 8:15:00 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.


VituVingiSana
#1642 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 6:45:40 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#1643 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:03:45 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?
cyruskulei
#1644 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:26:21 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 3/9/2010
Posts: 320
Location: kenya
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?



Centum has a 27.62 per cent stake in Nairobi Bottlers โ€” which it says accounts for half of Coca-Cola branded sodas sold in the Kenyan market.

Its shares in the four Coca-Cola bottling companies represented 28 per cent of its assets and contributed 20 per cent of its profit and two per cent of the cash flow in the year to March 2012.

The merged unit will become the second largest in market share among the Coca-Cola bottlers in Kenya with 29 per cent, behind Nairobi Bottlers which controls 48 per cent of the market.

Coast Bottlers has 11 per cent market share, Equator 12 per cent, Kisii nine per cent while Rift Valley and Mt Kenya control 10 per cent each.

https://www.businessdail...73482-10pvarx/index.html
Work hard at your job and you can make a living. Work hard on yourself and you can make a fortune.

Ericsson
#1645 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:32:59 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,639
Location: NAIROBI
cyruskulei wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?



Centum has a 27.62 per cent stake in Nairobi Bottlers โ€” which it says accounts for half of Coca-Cola branded sodas sold in the Kenyan market.

Its shares in the four Coca-Cola bottling companies represented 28 per cent of its assets and contributed 20 per cent of its profit and two per cent of the cash flow in the year to March 2012.

The merged unit will become the second largest in market share among the Coca-Cola bottlers in Kenya with 29 per cent, behind Nairobi Bottlers which controls 48 per cent of the market.

Coast Bottlers has 11 per cent market share, Equator 12 per cent, Kisii nine per cent while Rift Valley and Mt Kenya control 10 per cent each.

https://www.businessdail...3482-10pvarx/index.html[/quote]
That was 6 years ago which has been passed by events.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1646 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:15:13 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?

I do not know
Questions:
Are Almasi sales still growing? Have they mentioned what % growth they expect?
Do you think Centum's controlling stake could attract a premium?

Rubis is buying KK at a FY18 PER of 11x
Seaboard bought Unga shares at FY17 PER of 7x
Any other FMCG PERs?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1647 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:26:59 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
Pg 64
30% Market Share
No mention of which firms/bottlers constitute Almasi. Or ownership in each.
FY17 - 15mn cases
FY18 - 18mn cases (goal)
FY19 - 23mn cases (goal)

@Horton - What's the year end? When would you get the next annual report? I would not mind buying a few Almasi so I can get additional info.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#1648 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:39:20 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Pg 64
30% Market Share
No mention of which firms/bottlers constitute Almasi. Or ownership in each.
FY17 - 15mn cases
FY18 - 18mn cases (goal)
FY19 - 23mn cases (goal)

@Horton - What's the year end? When would you get the next annual report? I would not mind buying a few Almasi so I can get additional info.


Year end is dec

So there was a drop in profits from FY16. Alanaโ€™s I shares are hard to come by.
VituVingiSana
#1649 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:45:09 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Pg 64
30% Market Share
No mention of which firms/bottlers constitute Almasi. Or ownership in each.
FY17 - 15mn cases
FY18 - 18mn cases (goal)
FY19 - 23mn cases (goal)

@Horton - What's the year end? When would you get the next annual report? I would not mind buying a few Almasi so I can get additional info.


Year end is dec

So there was a drop in profits from FY16. Alanaโ€™s I shares are hard to come by.

Do you get 1H results? Centum may give us more info on Monday.
FY17 was tough for many firms. The elections are a real pain in KE.

If Almasi can get to 23mn cases in FY19 then that should be a huge boost in EBITDA. The narration on Pg 64 said Almasi is the fastest growing Coke bottler.

Given 7.50 looks cheap (5.72 PER), I am surprised there aren't more buyers including Centum for the shares. I would make it a core holding.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#1650 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:48:21 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?

I do not know
Questions:
Are Almasi sales still growing? Have they mentioned what % growth they expect?
Do you think Centum's controlling stake could attract a premium?

Rubis is buying KK at a FY18 PER of 11x
Seaboard bought Unga shares at FY17 PER of 7x
Any other FMCG PERs?


If you look at non-listed firms, they donโ€™t sugar coat their prospects (except Cytonn ๐Ÿ˜†) there is also no mention of what they expect to grow at. I donโ€™t think Centum would sell these shares if anything they are on accumulate mode unless a really juicy offer came along. What Centum have done pricing these may be acceptable in accounting but is this the most conservative method of valuation? In my opinion you price your assets based on worst case scenario not on best case thatโ€™s being conservative. Or if they have sold shares on that price or is the market or OTC price then it makes sense in my books. Since itโ€™s a subsidiary should NAV of Almasi be taken as exactly that? I donโ€™t know what do the accountants reckon?


Ericsson
#1651 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:11:14 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,639
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Pg 64
30% Market Share
No mention of which firms/bottlers constitute Almasi. Or ownership in each.
FY17 - 15mn cases
FY18 - 18mn cases (goal)
FY19 - 23mn cases (goal)

@Horton - What's the year end? When would you get the next annual report? I would not mind buying a few Almasi so I can get additional info.


Almasi was formed after the amalgamation of the following;
--Mt Kenya Bottlers
--Kisii Bottlers
--Rift Valley Bottlers
Ownership is 100% in all of them.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1652 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:15:25 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?

I do not know
Questions:
Are Almasi sales still growing? Have they mentioned what % growth they expect?
Do you think Centum's controlling stake could attract a premium?

Rubis is buying KK at a FY18 PER of 11x
Seaboard bought Unga shares at FY17 PER of 7x
Any other FMCG PERs?


If you look at non-listed firms, they donโ€™t sugar coat their prospects (except Cytonn ๐Ÿ˜†) there is also no mention of what they expect to grow at. I donโ€™t think Centum would sell these shares if anything they are on accumulate mode unless a really juicy offer came along. What Centum have done pricing these may be acceptable in accounting but is this the most conservative method of valuation? In my opinion you price your assets based on worst case scenario not on best case thatโ€™s being conservative. Or if they have sold shares on that price or is the market or OTC price then it makes sense in my books. Since itโ€™s a subsidiary should NAV of Almasi be taken as exactly that? I donโ€™t know what do the accountants reckon?

The worst case scenario is ZERO.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#1653 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 12:15:42 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?

I do not know
Questions:
Are Almasi sales still growing? Have they mentioned what % growth they expect?
Do you think Centum's controlling stake could attract a premium?

Rubis is buying KK at a FY18 PER of 11x
Seaboard bought Unga shares at FY17 PER of 7x
Any other FMCG PERs?


If you look at non-listed firms, they donโ€™t sugar coat their prospects (except Cytonn ๐Ÿ˜†) there is also no mention of what they expect to grow at. I donโ€™t think Centum would sell these shares if anything they are on accumulate mode unless a really juicy offer came along. What Centum have done pricing these may be acceptable in accounting but is this the most conservative method of valuation? In my opinion you price your assets based on worst case scenario not on best case thatโ€™s being conservative. Or if they have sold shares on that price or is the market or OTC price then it makes sense in my books. Since itโ€™s a subsidiary should NAV of Almasi be taken as exactly that? I donโ€™t know what do the accountants reckon?

The worst case scenario is ZERO.



There you go. Kama ARM I guess.

So as you invest think about their valuation metrics. @Ericsson had expressed his uneasiness about this a while back. I didnโ€™t think much until I really dug in. Thereafter sold all my shares here.

Perhaps 28/- is a good entry point but there are other companies with great value on the market.

VituVingiSana
#1654 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 1:09:11 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?

I do not know
Questions:
Are Almasi sales still growing? Have they mentioned what % growth they expect?
Do you think Centum's controlling stake could attract a premium?

Rubis is buying KK at a FY18 PER of 11x
Seaboard bought Unga shares at FY17 PER of 7x
Any other FMCG PERs?


If you look at non-listed firms, they donโ€™t sugar coat their prospects (except Cytonn ๐Ÿ˜†) there is also no mention of what they expect to grow at. I donโ€™t think Centum would sell these shares if anything they are on accumulate mode unless a really juicy offer came along. What Centum have done pricing these may be acceptable in accounting but is this the most conservative method of valuation? In my opinion you price your assets based on worst case scenario not on best case thatโ€™s being conservative. Or if they have sold shares on that price or is the market or OTC price then it makes sense in my books. Since itโ€™s a subsidiary should NAV of Almasi be taken as exactly that? I donโ€™t know what do the accountants reckon?

The worst case scenario is ZERO.



There you go. Kama ARM I guess.

So as you invest think about their valuation metrics. @Ericsson had expressed his uneasiness about this a while back. I didnโ€™t think much until I really dug in. Thereafter sold all my shares here.

Perhaps 28/- is a good entry point but there are other companies with great value on the market.
All firms, in a worst case scenario, are valued at ZERO. There are no guarantees.
Safcom: A new invention that allows extremely cheap internet access. Or calls.
EABL: We become an islamic state.
Almasi: Folks decide to give up sugary drinks.

Back to Almasi and Centum. More research required given I am looking at Centum as a potential "Core Holding" [It's more complex given the multiple businesses and aggressive management]

YES. It's the 28/- that's attractive. Even if I deducted 20% from 73 = 57 this is 50% PB.

Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Horton
#1655 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 1:23:31 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Horton wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@horton - Where can I get Almasi's financials? Google hasn't been helpful!
What's Almasi's EPS?
What % of each of the 3 bottlers does Almasi own?


Horton is an insider


๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜† Mimi ni memba. Bought shares in Almasi last year. I must say they hard to come by

@VVS I have em on mail.

Almasi owns the 3 bottlers in entirety.

PAT=1.7B

1.3B shares issued.

So EPS 1/- & change?!

Shareholder Equity =7.4B

So NAV is 6/-? Pole for my earlier miscalculation it must be my feebleness ๐Ÿ˜

I did some digging and from Centum AR they valued Almasi as 9.91 multiple of EBITDA. Refer to Page 123.
It's 6.94x EBITDA (Pg 124)


Remember seeing 9.91 either way you happy with the valuation?

Coz if they were to liquidate today, do you think they would get that price yet market value of almasi is at 7.5?

I do not know
Questions:
Are Almasi sales still growing? Have they mentioned what % growth they expect?
Do you think Centum's controlling stake could attract a premium?

Rubis is buying KK at a FY18 PER of 11x
Seaboard bought Unga shares at FY17 PER of 7x
Any other FMCG PERs?


If you look at non-listed firms, they donโ€™t sugar coat their prospects (except Cytonn ๐Ÿ˜†) there is also no mention of what they expect to grow at. I donโ€™t think Centum would sell these shares if anything they are on accumulate mode unless a really juicy offer came along. What Centum have done pricing these may be acceptable in accounting but is this the most conservative method of valuation? In my opinion you price your assets based on worst case scenario not on best case thatโ€™s being conservative. Or if they have sold shares on that price or is the market or OTC price then it makes sense in my books. Since itโ€™s a subsidiary should NAV of Almasi be taken as exactly that? I donโ€™t know what do the accountants reckon?

The worst case scenario is ZERO.



There you go. Kama ARM I guess.

So as you invest think about their valuation metrics. @Ericsson had expressed his uneasiness about this a while back. I didnโ€™t think much until I really dug in. Thereafter sold all my shares here.

Perhaps 28/- is a good entry point but there are other companies with great value on the market.
All firms, in a worst case scenario, are valued at ZERO. There are no guarantees.
Safcom: A new invention that allows extremely cheap internet access. Or calls.
EABL: We become an islamic state.
Almasi: Folks decide to give up sugary drinks.

Back to Almasi and Centum. More research required given I am looking at Centum as a potential "Core Holding" [It's more complex given the multiple businesses and aggressive management]

YES. It's the 28/- that's attractive. Even if I deducted 20% from 73 = 57 this is 50% PB.



Best wishes
VituVingiSana
#1656 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2018 2:40:15 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
It's too soon to buy Centum as a Core Holding BUT never too soon to start researching Centum.
And if Rubis backs out, then no more Centum. d'oh!

Others that look attractive to me include Saf, more I&M and more Equity. I just don't want 2 banks as "Core" Shame on you
One can't trust this government's knee-jerk policies.

KenRe - Replacing Mwarania overnight
Unga - Maize drama
Banks - Rate Cap, CBK "enforcement" and demonization
Agriculture - Extortion at the county level
Fuel - Taxes and more taxes

@Horton - Thanks
@Ericsson - Thanks
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mwekez@ji
#1657 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 9:59:47 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 5,121
VituVingiSana wrote:
It's too soon to buy Centum as a Core Holding BUT never too soon to start researching Centum.
And if Rubis backs out, then no more Centum. d'oh!

Others that look attractive to me include Saf, more I&M and more Equity. I just don't want 2 banks as "Core" Shame on you
One can't trust this government's knee-jerk policies.

KenRe - Replacing Mwarania overnight
Unga - Maize drama
Banks - Rate Cap, CBK "enforcement" and demonization
Agriculture - Extortion at the county level
Fuel - Taxes and more taxes

@Horton - Thanks
@Ericsson - Thanks


@VVS

Centum Investment will announce their 1H19 results on Monday 26th November 2018. The Company will host an Investor Briefing at the Villa Rosa Kempinski, starting 7:00am EAT (GMT +3)

In addition, the Company will hold a Conference Call at 3:30pm EAT (GMT +3) and you may signup for that call by clicking on the link below.

http://services.choruscall.za.c...SecurityString=36653b3ae
VituVingiSana
#1658 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:22:27 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,056
Location: Nairobi
mwekez@ji wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
It's too soon to buy Centum as a Core Holding BUT never too soon to start researching Centum.
And if Rubis backs out, then no more Centum. d'oh!

Others that look attractive to me include Saf, more I&M and more Equity. I just don't want 2 banks as "Core" Shame on you
One can't trust this government's knee-jerk policies.

KenRe - Replacing Mwarania overnight
Unga - Maize drama
Banks - Rate Cap, CBK "enforcement" and demonization
Agriculture - Extortion at the county level
Fuel - Taxes and more taxes

@Horton - Thanks
@Ericsson - Thanks


@VVS

Centum Investment will announce their 1H19 results on Monday 26th November 2018. The Company will host an Investor Briefing at the Villa Rosa Kempinski, starting 7:00am EAT (GMT +3)

In addition, the Company will hold a Conference Call at 3:30pm EAT (GMT +3) and you may signup for that call by clicking on the link below.

http://services.choruscall.za.c...SecurityString=36653b3ae
Thanks! Are you with Centum? Or a broker? I will sign up for the CC
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mwekez@ji
#1659 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:58:04 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 5,121
VituVingiSana wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
It's too soon to buy Centum as a Core Holding BUT never too soon to start researching Centum.
And if Rubis backs out, then no more Centum. d'oh!

Others that look attractive to me include Saf, more I&M and more Equity. I just don't want 2 banks as "Core" Shame on you
One can't trust this government's knee-jerk policies.

KenRe - Replacing Mwarania overnight
Unga - Maize drama
Banks - Rate Cap, CBK "enforcement" and demonization
Agriculture - Extortion at the county level
Fuel - Taxes and more taxes

@Horton - Thanks
@Ericsson - Thanks


@VVS

Centum Investment will announce their 1H19 results on Monday 26th November 2018. The Company will host an Investor Briefing at the Villa Rosa Kempinski, starting 7:00am EAT (GMT +3)

In addition, the Company will hold a Conference Call at 3:30pm EAT (GMT +3) and you may signup for that call by clicking on the link below.

http://services.choruscall.za.c...SecurityString=36653b3ae
Thanks! Are you with Centum? Or a broker? I will sign up for the CC

Anytime! Am not with either. Got the info from Kestrel Capital
Horton
#1660 Posted : Wednesday, November 21, 2018 11:19:52 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
Skin in the game ..... overrated?

So the last couple of firms to go down the dark road ARM & DEACONS CEOs both had skin in the game. Is this trait overrated?
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