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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,056 Location: Nairobi
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Perhaps, my attitudes are a result of spending a lot of time in Nairobi, Ngong, Limuru, Kiambu... Wacha niende "west" to USA in Dec! Ugenya, Suba, Alego Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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obiero wrote:murchr wrote:Obiero, the NSE is not the economy. I believe you have half a point.. The NSE is not the economy but is a significant barometer to the same Not necessarily so. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,475 Location: nairobi
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murchr wrote:obiero wrote:murchr wrote:Obiero, the NSE is not the economy. I believe you have half a point.. The NSE is not the economy but is a significant barometer to the same Not necessarily so. You could be right, but I think you are wrong https://www.businessdail...847630-xakb0t/index.html HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,056 Location: Nairobi
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Mumias Sugar , Kenya Power , East African Portland Cement Company (EAPCC) and Uchumi Supermarkets failed to meet the October 31 deadline set by the Capital Markets Authority (CMA), meaning investors in the firms will have to wait longer to know whether the management generated any returns during the financial year ended June 2018. https://www.businessdail...47630-xakb0t/index.html
What's the common thread? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,056 Location: Nairobi
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Buffett’s Underrated Investment Attribute https://www.gurufocus.co...ed-investment-attribute
One of Warren Buffett (Trades, Portfolio)’s most underrated skills is his ability to recognize when a situation is getting outside of his well-defined circle of competence. He not only recognizes when a situation is too hard, but I think he doesn’t waste much time even considering the investment."the remarkable ability Buffett has to change his mind when he realizes he is wrong. Buffett seems to have the temperament and personality which allow him to easily overcome the typical biases that haunt most investors. There are many types of biases associated with investments that you currently own, including the so-called “endowment effect,” where you tend to view more favorably the positions you already own. This can cause you to overlook, ignore or de-emphasize problems that are becoming evident with one of your holdings." Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Mumias Sugar , Kenya Power , East African Portland Cement Company (EAPCC) and Uchumi Supermarkets failed to meet the October 31 deadline set by the Capital Markets Authority (CMA), meaning investors in the firms will have to wait longer to know whether the management generated any returns during the financial year ended June 2018. https://www.businessdail...47630-xakb0t/index.html
What's the common thread? Looting. On KPLC, Mr. Looto and Chumo took over where Mo1 and Gichooro left. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,056 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Mumias Sugar , Kenya Power , East African Portland Cement Company (EAPCC) and Uchumi Supermarkets failed to meet the October 31 deadline set by the Capital Markets Authority (CMA), meaning investors in the firms will have to wait longer to know whether the management generated any returns during the financial year ended June 2018. https://www.businessdail...47630-xakb0t/index.html
What's the common thread? Looting. On KPLC, Mr. Looto and Chumo took over where Mo1 and Gichooro left. All controlled by GoK Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Mumias Sugar , Kenya Power , East African Portland Cement Company (EAPCC) and Uchumi Supermarkets failed to meet the October 31 deadline set by the Capital Markets Authority (CMA), meaning investors in the firms will have to wait longer to know whether the management generated any returns during the financial year ended June 2018. https://www.businessdail...47630-xakb0t/index.html
What's the common thread? Looting. On KPLC, Mr. Looto and Chumo took over where Mo1 and Gichooro left. Mr Looto and Mo1 Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,175 Location: nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Mumias Sugar , Kenya Power , East African Portland Cement Company (EAPCC) and Uchumi Supermarkets failed to meet the October 31 deadline set by the Capital Markets Authority (CMA), meaning investors in the firms will have to wait longer to know whether the management generated any returns during the financial year ended June 2018. https://www.businessdail...47630-xakb0t/index.html
What's the common thread? Looting. On KPLC, Mr. Looto and Chumo took over where Mo1 and Gichooro left. Mr Looto and Mo1 what values would an idiot see to make no.2 no.1 "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world? How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/1/2014 Posts: 895 Location: sky
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https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/markets/marketnews/3815534-4849150-view-asAMP-ktbkr9z/index.htmlAlso on the list are Stanlib Kenya, Car & General and East African Portland Cement Company (EAPCC).#ticker:EAPCC The CMA is taking a number of enforcement actions against the non-compliant firms for the financial year ended June 30, 2018. didn't expect stanlib and car and general, though I'm not a shareholder in any There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,569
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Fyatu wrote:Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?
How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse I have seen this african proverb on soko mjinga manenoz huko twitter @cobbo3 "if foolish people don't go to the market, who will buy rotten bananas?"
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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wukan wrote:Fyatu wrote:Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?
How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse I have seen this african proverb on soko mjinga manenoz huko twitter @cobbo3 "if foolish people don't go to the market, who will buy rotten bananas?" This NSE is not for the faint hearted. Making money here as a small shareholder is difficult Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,056 Location: Nairobi
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Fyatu wrote:Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?
How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse 1) A firm can run on -ve working capital as long as it generates enough cashflow to service its debt. 2) A Balance Sheet is a snapshot of a "day" and the situation may have been different on the 29th of that month or the 1st of the next month. 3) FY 2017 was tough for equipment/engineering sales yet it managed a profit vs many made losses. Think of your not-so-favorite airline, cement firms (ARM and EAPCC), supermarket, sugar firm, etc. The Positives of Negative Working Capital Wireless communications and broadcasting firms have a knack for taking in other people's cash quicker than theirs goes out.http://ww2.cfo.com/cash-...gative-working-capital/
SafCom had -ve Working Capital (-27bn) as of 30 Sep 2018 but I would not consider SafCom in any sort of trouble... Each sector and firm has its quirks. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,056 Location: Nairobi
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wukan wrote:Fyatu wrote:Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?
How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse I have seen this african proverb on soko mjinga manenoz huko twitter @cobbo3 "if foolish people don't go to the market, who will buy rotten bananas?" Better than a turnover of 52bn (1H 2018) and a loss of 4bn for a certain airline Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Fyatu wrote:Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?
How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse 1) A firm can run on -ve working capital as long as it generates enough cashflow to service its debt. 2) A Balance Sheet is a snapshot of a "day" and the situation may have been different on the 29th of that month or the 1st of the next month. 3) FY 2017 was tough for equipment/engineering sales yet it managed a profit vs many made losses. Think of your not-so-favorite airline, cement firms (ARM and EAPCC), supermarket, sugar firm, etc. The Positives of Negative Working Capital Wireless communications and broadcasting firms have a knack for taking in other people's cash quicker than theirs goes out.http://ww2.cfo.com/cash-...gative-working-capital/
SafCom had -ve Working Capital (-27bn) as of 30 Sep 2018 but I would not consider SafCom in any sort of trouble... Each sector and firm has its quirks. Hapo kwa safaricom umenoa mzee Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:wukan wrote:Fyatu wrote:Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?
How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse I have seen this african proverb on soko mjinga manenoz huko twitter @cobbo3 "if foolish people don't go to the market, who will buy rotten bananas?" Better than a turnover of 52bn (1H 2018) and a loss of 4bn for a certain airline Can a debate be healthy without mentioning the name KQ? Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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VituVingiSana wrote:Fyatu wrote:Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?
How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse 1) A firm can run on -ve working capital as long as it generates enough cashflow to service its debt. 2) A Balance Sheet is a snapshot of a "day" and the situation may have been different on the 29th of that month or the 1st of the next month. 3) FY 2017 was tough for equipment/engineering sales yet it managed a profit vs many made losses. Think of your not-so-favorite airline, cement firms (ARM and EAPCC), supermarket, sugar firm, etc. The Positives of Negative Working Capital Wireless communications and broadcasting firms have a knack for taking in other people's cash quicker than theirs goes out.http://ww2.cfo.com/cash-...gative-working-capital/
SafCom had -ve Working Capital (-27bn) as of 30 Sep 2018 but I would not consider SafCom in any sort of trouble... Each sector and firm has its quirks. Thanks @vvs for the explanation. This dark winter(bear) has been long. The business news from Kenyan newspapers and international ones has been all doom and gloom. CMA and NSE honchos on the other hand have not inspiring at all and any thoughts of buying into the bear in this our NSE is wrought with suspicion of book cooking and inaccurate financial reporting. That listed firm you thought had perfect governance and whose numbers look good might burn you to recognition. One cannot be faulted for being suspicious(bordering on paranoia) of all CEO's,boards and CFO's of listed companies in NSE. Take Kenya Power as an example. Everyone even ECD kids know that the 2017-2018 books are being cooked proper with some assorted viungo(tumeric,capsicam,garlic,pili pili manga,knorr cubes,royco mchuzi mix etc) hapa na pale.How can a monopoly which lights up East Africa largest economy(or so we are told) be this erratic as far as management is concerned? What magic did government of Mzee Kibaki do to this firm that Jubilee cannot do? I don't want to believe that maombi alias sadaka has something to do with this Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,639 Location: NAIROBI
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Fyatu wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Fyatu wrote:Is it technically possible for a company to operate in negative working capital or should this(operating in -ve capital) be considered the 9th wonder of the world?
How do you explain revenues of 9 billions and a net profit of 80 million in the case of car and general? Hapa Kenya kweli kuna mambo. CMA, NSE..... anyone please explain in basic english the madness that is the Nairobi bourse 1) A firm can run on -ve working capital as long as it generates enough cashflow to service its debt. 2) A Balance Sheet is a snapshot of a "day" and the situation may have been different on the 29th of that month or the 1st of the next month. 3) FY 2017 was tough for equipment/engineering sales yet it managed a profit vs many made losses. Think of your not-so-favorite airline, cement firms (ARM and EAPCC), supermarket, sugar firm, etc. The Positives of Negative Working Capital Wireless communications and broadcasting firms have a knack for taking in other people's cash quicker than theirs goes out.http://ww2.cfo.com/cash-...gative-working-capital/
SafCom had -ve Working Capital (-27bn) as of 30 Sep 2018 but I would not consider SafCom in any sort of trouble... Each sector and firm has its quirks. Thanks @vvs for the explanation. This dark winter(bear) has been long. The business news from Kenyan newspapers and international ones has been all doom and gloom. CMA and NSE honchos on the other hand have not inspiring at all and any thoughts of buying into the bear in this our NSE is wrought with suspicion of book cooking and inaccurate financial reporting. That listed firm you thought had perfect governance and whose numbers look good might burn you to recognition. One cannot be faulted for being suspicious(bordering on paranoia) of all CEO's,boards and CFO's of listed companies in NSE. Take Kenya Power as an example. Everyone even ECD kids know that the 2017-2018 books are being cooked proper with some assorted viungo(tumeric,capsicam,garlic,pili pili manga,knorr cubes,royco mchuzi mix etc) hapa na pale.How can a monopoly which lights up East Africa largest economy(or so we are told) be this erratic as far as management is concerned? What magic did government of Mzee Kibaki do to this firm that Jubilee cannot do? I don't want to believe that maombi alias sadaka has something to do with this My fren fyatu,this was highlighted earlier. Be afraid of arap looto and firms under him Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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