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LAND, LAND, LAND...WHY ARE WE SO OBSESSED?
mukiha
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:15:43 AM
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the last presidential debate spent a significant amount of time discussing land ownership and many proclaimed that "land is the primary means of production"

Have we forgotten that the wealthiest tribe in Kenya owns very little land? Indeed, many of them don't even own the houses they live in!
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mkonomtupu
#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:44:01 AM
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I also don't own any piece of land and I have no present intention of committing capital in an asset that produces little or no returns, yet I still make more money than my relatives who own land. In the 21st century a presidential candidate who thinks land is a key factor of production deserves retirement. I was actually disappointed a whole debate on the economy ended up discussing minimum wage and land instead of people skills, energy and increasing exports. We are doomed whoever wins very useless fellows
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:45:32 AM
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mukiha wrote:
the last presidential debate spent a significant amount of time discussing land ownership and many proclaimed that "land is the primary means of production"

Have we forgotten that the wealthiest tribe in Kenya owns very little land? Indeed, many of them don't even own the houses they live in!

Which tribe is this, sir?
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:52:50 AM
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mukiha wrote:
the last presidential debate spent a significant amount of time discussing land ownership and many proclaimed that "land is the primary means of production"

Have we forgotten that the wealthiest tribe in Kenya owns very little land? Indeed, many of them don't even own the houses they live in!


As they say, this is just an emotional issue and we got all our perceptions wrong. An agricultural economy like Kenya's is in a big way reliant on land as a factor of production. But we also know that in the event that land is scarce, we can develop other sectors of our economy coz truth be told, the productive land in Kenya is a very small % of the entire area....we ought not be so reliant on agriculture...
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mukiha
#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:35:44 AM
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dunkang wrote:
mukiha wrote:
the last presidential debate spent a significant amount of time discussing land ownership and many proclaimed that "land is the primary means of production"

Have we forgotten that the wealthiest tribe in Kenya owns very little land? Indeed, many of them don't even own the houses they live in!

Which tribe is this, sir?


Think hard and you will figure it out for yourself...
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mukiha
#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:37:20 AM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
I also don't own any piece of land and I have no present intention of committing capital in an asset that produces little or no returns, yet I still make more money than my relatives who own land. In the 21st century a presidential candidate who thinks land is a key factor of production deserves retirement. I was actually disappointed a whole debate on the economy ended up discussing minimum wage and land instead of people skills, energy and increasing exports. We are doomed whoever wins very useless fellows


Wealth if found in the B.S., not the P/L...
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:12:25 PM
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mukiha wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
I also don't own any piece of land and I have no present intention of committing capital in an asset that produces little or no returns, yet I still make more money than my relatives who own land. In the 21st century a presidential candidate who thinks land is a key factor of production deserves retirement. I was actually disappointed a whole debate on the economy ended up discussing minimum wage and land instead of people skills, energy and increasing exports. We are doomed whoever wins very useless fellows


Wealth if found in the B.S., not the P/L...


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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:36:37 PM
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I am appalled by the general ignorance displayed by those arguing that land is not an important issue and therefore should not have been debated.

You cannot start debating the Kenyan economy without debating land (agriculture, livestock, tourism and now mining).

Kenya has 100% productive land. Only that a large percentage of that land is under utilised.

Mjasirii
#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:52:33 PM
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Land will always be trevial as long as the Kenyan people view it as the only way of production.

Jaina
#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:04:10 PM
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Kenyans Peculiar Habbits and obsession to free things are some of the reasons why land is emotive subject.

In last nights debate; top contenders said its a willing buyer,..willing seller. We all know the same people with money are the same ones with land.

Unless you make money elsewhere, enough to buy land, then you cant own land period.

Anyone hoping for free LAND, will be emotional till death.

native
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:14:07 PM
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Thought you are selling a plot :)
Lolest!
#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:06:35 PM
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I doubt Kenyans are interested in land because they want to use it for production. With increased urbanisation, I still find the born town young fellas craving for a piece of shagz ancestral land. They do not know how to farm, infact, the land is bushy all year round. Then they go for Christmas and inspect their land and do nothing about the under-utilisation. Is our land thirst problem in our genes?
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:16:06 PM
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mukiha wrote:
dunkang wrote:
mukiha wrote:
the last presidential debate spent a significant amount of time discussing land ownership and many proclaimed that "land is the primary means of production"

Have we forgotten that the wealthiest tribe in Kenya owns very little land? Indeed, many of them don't even own the houses they live in!

Which tribe is this, sir?


Think hard and you will figure it out for yourself...

I think Manu Chandaria,Raju Sanghani,Kamal Buddhabati,Karsandas Kanaksin Babla,Anil Popat,Pankaj Somaia,Sunil Shah etc own very little land.
ChessMaster
#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:04:41 PM
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I believe land holds a cultural aspect in Kenya. The masses also considered it the easiest investment avenue that promises high returns. This I attribute to success stories about land being more popular than business and financial instruments.

Agriculture is important but its lethal for us in the long run. Developed nations export one thing i.e technology(which could be any advancements). The price of technology is usually high and when it starts to fall,newer advancements are always waiting to replace and reclaim the gap. Maize is maize,today and tomorrow.

@Lolest has also brought up another important issue. Kenyans like copying each other.First time land owners will do one of three things put up a building,a greenhouse or the buy and hold strategy.When everyone uses the same strategy it fails to be effective.The government should take initiative and show direction into how proper utilization of land can help boost our economy.

@mkonomtupu - I agree. Very little consideration was given to more important issues and even less for solutions to problems facing Kenya. I find it very sad. We need leaders not focused on politics but solutions. What is the use of pointing out all the problems of the country and your opponents if your not offering a way out.
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ChessMaster
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:34:26 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
I believe land holds a cultural aspect in Kenya. The masses also considered it the easiest investment avenue that promises high returns. This I attribute to success stories about land being more popular than business and financial instruments.

Agriculture is important but its lethal for us in the long run. Developed nations export one thing i.e technology(which could be any advancements). The price of technology is usually high and when it starts to fall,newer advancements are always waiting to replace and reclaim the gap. Maize is maize,today and tomorrow.

@Lolest has also brought up another important issue. Kenyans like copying each other.First time land owners will do one of three things put up a building,a greenhouse or the buy and hold strategy.When everyone uses the same strategy it fails to be effective.The government should take initiative and show direction into how proper utilization of land can help boost our economy.

@mkonomtupu - I agree. Very little consideration was given to more important issues and even less for solutions to problems facing Kenya. I find it very sad. We need leaders not focused on politics but solutions. What is the use of pointing out all the problems of the country and your opponents if your not offering a way out.


Who says we can all be farmers?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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