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Obi 1 Kanobi
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:32:38 PM
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Listening to Waiganjo's interview and his insistence to meet with the PM and VP to disclose some heavy secrets, one starts to wonder what exactly goes on in our police force and other security organs.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:38:33 PM
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Populist politics.There was a time he met MN while the thug was in NMP.....How much did we hear after that?
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#3 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:01:36 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
Populist politics.There was a time he met MN while the thug was in NMP.....How much did we hear after that?

You mean Waiganjo met MN? Yaani He is also into politics? When? Where? How?

This thread is not about OAR... PLEASE! !!
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#4 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:32:48 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Listening to Waiganjo's interview and his insistence to meet with the PM and VP to disclose some heavy secrets, one starts to wonder what exactly goes on in our police force and other security organs.

our security apparatus i just full of crap,you can get away with anything if you have the right amount of money...btw I wouldnt be surprised leo when the report is released and Iteere is cleared of any wrong doing,nkt
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#5 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:52:43 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
Populist politics.There was a time he met MN while the thug was in NMP.....How much did we hear after that?


@guka, I thought this was your friend who supposed to finya ninio yangu!!!
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#6 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:03:54 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
Populist politics.There was a time he met MN while the thug was in NMP.....How much did we hear after that?


@ Njung'e focus!!! its about the security apparatus and not RAO
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#7 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:19:47 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Populist politics.There was a time he met MN while the thug was in NMP.....How much did we hear after that?


@ Njung'e focus!!! its about the security apparatus and not RAO

Talk of diverting attention or being paranoid.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:36:10 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Listening to Waiganjo's interview and his insistence to meet with the PM and VP to disclose some heavy secrets, one starts to wonder what exactly goes on in our police force and other security organs.


Have we invested in good quality internal security as a country? No. Not when police rides lack fuel (an OCPD is given 27 ltrs per day), when our cops lack medical insurance for injuries and deaths sustained in the line of duty. Are the families of those > 42 cops massacred in Baragoi still in their houses or they have already been chased out? The latter, most likely. Plus some ammunition imported from Iran from 2003 is now in the hands of pastoralists...So one wonders about basic controls, processes and procedures for all aspects of our internal security.

Its simple: invest in good quality security, you get good quality security.
The current quality of policing reflects the quality of investment, or lack of,that we have made as a country.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#9 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:57:46 AM
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Intelligentsia wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Listening to Waiganjo's interview and his insistence to meet with the PM and VP to disclose some heavy secrets, one starts to wonder what exactly goes on in our police force and other security organs.


Have we invested in good quality internal security as a country? No. Not when police rides lack fuel (an OCPD is given 27 ltrs per day), when our cops lack medical insurance for injuries and deaths sustained in the line of duty. Are the families of those > 42 cops massacred in Baragoi still in their houses or they have already been chased out? The latter, most likely. Plus some ammunition imported from Iran from 2003 is now in the hands of pastoralists...So one wonders about basic controls, processes and procedures for all aspects of our internal security.

Its simple: invest in good quality security, you get good quality security.
The current quality of policing reflects the quality of investment, or lack of,that we have made as a country.




All these points you raised above are important, but what I am alluding to is that it seems the heads of our security apparatus (who by the way are well compensated and steal more to afford comfortable lives) seem to be engaging in alot of criminal activities.

Its obvious that Waiganjo was a member of some kind of black ops arm of the police that was run parrallel to the official police force.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:07:22 AM
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The cartels in the police force are not the suffering no house no insurance calibre....
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:42:07 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Listening to Waiganjo's interview and his insistence to meet with the PM and VP to disclose some heavy secrets, one starts to wonder what exactly goes on in our police force and other security organs.


If they want to know what's cutting in the police then I don't think the answers will come from an apprehended con man trying to save his hide. He has no credibility and it's obvious that he has a very creative mind to have pulled it off.

BBI will solve it :)
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#12 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:45:07 AM
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It is claimed that a certain prominent business man from Nyeri who was short in Nakuru a few months ago was also a fake senior cop.http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Tycoon-killed-in-bank-raid-goes-to-grave-with-secrets/-/1056/1610206/-/rtxaa8z/-/index.html

The question is;

1. Whether there is a personal militia within the police force
2. If there is, who owns it
3. If there is not, how did Waiganjo operate undetected for so long
4. The commission was told that Waiganjo was once introduced as OCPD Tana Delta and was present during the Baragoi operation, is it a coincidence that the 2 areas have experienced clashes?http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000075744&story_title=Kenya-Police-impostor-posed-as-Tana-Delta-%E2%80%98boss%E2%80%99,-probe-team-told

If all that the inquiry does is handle Waiganjo's case, it is possible that a lot will be missed.
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maka
#13 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:22:49 AM
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The team probing the Waiganjo saga recommends sacking of PPO Mbijiwe, anti-stock theft boss Ngugi and lifts suspension of Njoro OCPD Nthiga...told you the probing was just useless and a waste of time the only person who will be going to jail is Waiganjo.nkt
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#14 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:31:57 AM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Populist politics.There was a time he met MN while the thug was in NMP.....How much did we hear after that?


@ Njung'e focus!!! its about the security apparatus and not RAO


RAO: mimi nataka kukutana na waiganjo

CROWD:yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

RAO:mimi nimesema nataka kukutana na waiganjo

CROWD:yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

tell me this is not politicsShame on you Shame on you


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Obi 1 Kanobi
#15 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:27:14 PM
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madollar wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Populist politics.There was a time he met MN while the thug was in NMP.....How much did we hear after that?


@ Njung'e focus!!! its about the security apparatus and not RAO


RAO: mimi nataka kukutana na waiganjo

CROWD:yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

RAO:mimi nimesema nataka kukutana na waiganjo

CROWD:yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

tell me this is not politicsShame on you Shame on you



There is nothing wrong with starting another thread on RAO and populist politics or anything about his deficiencies. But my question on this one is who created waiganjo and for what reasons
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