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That small matter of public vs private school education
limanika
#1 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2013 10:26:25 PM
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I know something on this subject has been discussed before in Wazua. But I did a search and could not find answers to my question below.

Let me start with my own experience in brief.

Primary education – I went to a rural DEB public primary school, from nursery to class eight. We usually used to walk barefoot to and fro, a distance of about 2.5km. From nursery to class four we were in mabati structure, and only graduated to masonry structure from class 5 to 8. The floor was not paved, and we each had to carry 3 litre jerrycan to water the dusty floor.

High School – I went to a public high school. In many respects it was a huge leap from my previous barefoot condition. Being a public school however, many facilities were in a state of disrepair. In the bathrooms, for instance, we had flushing toilets. But I bet the flushing mechanism had never worked for decades and no one seemed to care. So, there would be manual cleaning of the bathrooms once a day, Monday to Friday. The population was 500+, so you can imagine the situation in the bathrooms Sat and Sun. Most furniture in the school could have earned a slot in the national museum and must have seen better days.

College – I went to a public university. In many respects the facilities were much better than previous condition and I considered this a huge leap.

Now the 60 milion dollar question.

When we joined form one, there were kids who came from private primary school with excellent facilities. Unfortunately, they could not cope with the poor facilities and state of neglect and either had to get transfers or their grades had to go down and never recovered due to demoralization. As for me, there was real progression at each level and by God's grace I was able to concentrate.

Now that there is real craze to take kids to private primary schools many with excellent facilities, how do you manage their transfer to not so well run public high schools to avoid the pit fall noted above?

Is it better to stick with public schools right from primary level?? Discuss.
Much Know
#2 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2013 10:36:11 PM
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Just pray about it with your wife, it is too complicated!
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tycho
#3 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2013 10:49:22 PM
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Adversity is a good thing. With some support it brings out the best character.

So once again I say, Spartan conditions are preferable to Athenian ones. Think of the Pelopponesian war.
mawinder
#4 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2013 10:59:41 PM
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@limanika,you may continue and take them to private secondary schools.There are quite a number of good ones e.g Rift Valley Academy,St.Andrews Turi,Premier Academy,Strathmore,Kianda,Pembroke,Juja Preparatory,Hillcrest,Braeburn etc.
Euge
#5 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2013 11:09:50 PM
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Do private primo, private seco then they can be day scholars in public universities or you do private universities as well.
Lord, thank you!
Euge
#6 Posted : Friday, January 04, 2013 11:11:43 PM
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limanika wrote:
I know something on this subject has been discussed before in Wazua. But I did a search and could not find answers to my question below.

Let me start with my own experience in brief.

Primary education – I went to a rural DEB public primary school, from nursery to class eight. We usually used to walk barefoot to and fro, a distance of about 2.5km. From nursery to class four we were in mabati structure, and only graduated to masonry structure from class 5 to 8. The floor was not paved, and we each had to carry 3 litre jerrycan to water the dusty floor.

High School – I went to a public high school – provincial level. In many respects it was a huge leap from my previous barefoot condition. Being a public school however, many facilities were in a state of disrepair. In the bathrooms, for instance, we had flushing toilets. But I bet the flushing mechanism had never worked for decades and no one seemed to care. So, there would be manual cleaning of the bathrooms once a day, Monday to Friday. The population was 600+, so you can imagine the situation in the bathrooms Sat and Sun. Most furniture in the school could have earned a slot in the national museum and must have seen better days.

College – I went to ‘The’. In many respects the facilities were much better than previous condition and I considered this a huge leap.

Now the 60 milion dollar question.

When we joined form one, there were kids who came from private primary school with excellent facilities. Unfortunately, they could not cope with the poor facilities and state of neglect and either had to get transfers or their grades had to go down and never recovered due to demoralization. As for me, there was real progression at each level and I was able to concentrate.

Now that there is real craze to take kids to private primary schools many with excellent facilities, how do you manage their transfer to not so well run public high schools to avoid the pit fall noted above?

Is it better to stick with public schools right from primary level?? Discuss.


Looks like we went to the same primo smile smile smile
Lord, thank you!
Mukiri
#7 Posted : Saturday, January 05, 2013 12:20:08 AM
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Parental support is everything.

Personally, I went from a poor hardship primary school to a top national school. The rich kids we had tended to be bullys and de-railers.

Proverbs 19:21
poundfoolish
#8 Posted : Saturday, January 05, 2013 1:37:37 AM
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I believe the Americans have hadtbis debate for decades..
Governments never run anything well.. unless scandinavian..
privatisation of such like services is the best option to be encouraged..
The top O-level performing schools in Kenya are majorly private.. and if public.. the. best public thiing about them is TSC teachers.. the rest is due to strong old boys, PTA's and school boards..
Universities are proving the same.. though theres a shift to they also being run like private entities
limanika
#9 Posted : Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:15:24 AM
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@Euge- really? Mention a common phrase or place, maybe we can then start DEB (...) wazua old pupils association!
Dash
#10 Posted : Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:32:57 AM
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tycho wrote:
Adversity is a good thing. With some support it brings out the best character.

So once again I say, Spartan conditions are preferable to Athenian ones. Think of the Pelopponesian war.


Really? This your answer? No wonder we are not movving forward.
tycho
#11 Posted : Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:40:47 AM
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Dash wrote:
tycho wrote:
Adversity is a good thing. With some support it brings out the best character.

So once again I say, Spartan conditions are preferable to Athenian ones. Think of the Pelopponesian war.


Really? This your answer? No wonder we are not movving forward.


Who's not moving forward? I am.

But I am interested in hearing your objections.

digitek1
#12 Posted : Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:58:31 PM
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deb's are not what they used to be. also in private schools a majority tend to make the grade and even those who don't still thrive. in deb the escape velocity required is very high and a majority tend to think local.
you can get the kids private hostels in campus if you must
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
digitek1
#13 Posted : Sunday, January 06, 2013 7:01:46 PM
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deb's are not what they used to be. also in private schools a majority tend to make the grade and even those who don't still thrive. in deb the escape velocity required is very high and a majority tend to think local.
you can get the kids private hostels in campus if you must
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
Muheani
#14 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2018 9:37:38 AM
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Asking for a friendsmile :-...Any parent with a child at Visa Oshwal primary Westlands? Is it worth transfering a kid from his current Private school.

It happens the daughter went through the same private school as the son, was an average performer throughout primary. F1 this year has been tough at Precious Blood Girls Juja yet kids from public schools having scored less In KCPE fairing well.

My interest...my Son is also in the same private school and am Thinking if it's time to have him go through some public school learning


XSK
#15 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:05:19 AM
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Muheani wrote:
Asking for a friendsmile :-...Any parent with a child at Visa Oshwal primary Westlands? Is it worth transfering a kid from his current Private school.

It happens the daughter went through the same private school as the son, was an average performer throughout primary. F1 this year has been tough at Precious Blood Girls Juja yet kids from public schools having scored less In KCPE fairing well.

My interest...my Son is also in the same private school and am Thinking if it's time to have him go through some public school learning




I had a son now in high school, VOPS was ok for him. For my daughter the story was different we had to move her to a private school. It's therefore dependant on the individual what works for one may not work for another. Before settling on VOPS I would encourage you to explore hospital hill primary. The population is lower and it has better facilities.
You will know that you have arrived when money and time are not mutually exclusive "events" in you life!
Muheani
#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:34:50 AM
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XSK wrote:
Muheani wrote:
Asking for a friendsmile :-...Any parent with a child at Visa Oshwal primary Westlands? Is it worth transfering a kid from his current Private school.

It happens the daughter went through the same private school as the son, was an average performer throughout primary. F1 this year has been tough at Precious Blood Girls Juja yet kids from public schools having scored less In KCPE fairing well.

My interest...my Son is also in the same private school and am Thinking if it's time to have him go through some public school learning




I had a son now in high school, VOPS was ok for him. For my daughter the story was different we had to move her to a private school. It's therefore dependant on the individual what works for one may not work for another. Before settling on VOPS I would encourage you to explore hospital hill primary. The population is lower and it has better facilities.


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#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2019 11:28:45 AM
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digitek1 wrote:
deb's are not what they used to be. also in private schools a majority tend to make the grade and even those who don't still thrive. in deb the escape velocity required is very high and a majority tend to think local.
you can get the kids private hostels in campus if you must

..."majority tend to think local"...

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

And even most teachers there are inundated with local mentality coz not exposed beyond remote clans.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Thitifini
#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2019 3:45:02 PM
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Muheani wrote:
XSK wrote:
Muheani wrote:
Asking for a friendsmile :-...Any parent with a child at Visa Oshwal primary Westlands? Is it worth transfering a kid from his current Private school.

It happens the daughter went through the same private school as the son, was an average performer throughout primary. F1 this year has been tough at Precious Blood Girls Juja yet kids from public schools having scored less In KCPE fairing well.

My interest...my Son is also in the same private school and am Thinking if it's time to have him go through some public school learning




I had a son now in high school, VOPS was ok for him. For my daughter the story was different we had to move her to a private school. It's therefore dependant on the individual what works for one may not work for another. Before settling on VOPS I would encourage you to explore hospital hill primary. The population is lower and it has better facilities.


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