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Kibakis legacy vis a vis Uhuruto,ICC&Kenya's future
B.Timer
#1 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 10:45:46 AM
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Kenya seems to be hurtling towards a cliff!

All caution seems have been thrown to the wind.

What, with Uhuru/Ruto ticket for the top leadership of this country in brazen disregard of;

 The requirement and indeed the expectation of most Kenyans that, ICC accused persons cannot, and should not hold public office as influential as President and his deputy.
 The imminent dire consequences for the Country, in the event of their ascension to power –economic crunch, Diplomatic isolation etc.
 The sheer common decency, morality and respect for the people of Kenya – not to be led by suspected, criminals.
 The awfully polarising effect of the candidature of the two – that portends a real risk of driving the country to yet another precipice.

One man that could steer the country from that most perilous route is KIBAKI.

In fact, he needed to show leadership on this crucial matter much earlier – by advising the country PUBLICLY that it was not in our interest that ICC accused persons run for office.

That effortless act would have discouraged the duo from running, thereby helping the country remain calm and conducive to business.

It might be getting too late and that opportunity is quickly fading out.
This prompts the question;

WHERE DOES KIBAKI WANT KENYA TO GO?
Or
DOES HE CARE WHAT KENYA COULD BE COMING TO?

In the run up to 2007, signals that trouble awaited us were not acted upon effectively, leading to the regrettable aftermath that continues to haunt us to date.

It is troubling that the same see no evil, hear no evil attitude is to be applied yet again if the hitherto posturing is anything to go by.

Incidentally, does Kibaki care about Ethnic chauvinism/harmony in this Country. Is he content with being succeeded by a Man from his community – to become 4th President bearing in mind that amongst the last three, ONLY ONE was not from that community.

Does he care what the feeling would be in the other communities in the face of such an unhealthy situation/imbalance!

Whether or not Kibaki is a statesman is in serious test.

Silence is a form of communication – acquiescence, tacit approval.

I wait to be proven wrong, over to you.
Dunia ni msongamano..
McReggae
#2 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 1:00:59 PM
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I feel your concerns bwana B. Timer, you ask the very important questions many don't wanna address!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Much Know
#3 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 1:21:54 PM
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Africa has too many issues with ICC to take it seriously. Remember Al-Bashir was our guest when that constitution you are talking about was being promulgated. ICC is not a prefect to our new justice system. I would lump it with kadhi courts. The spirit of the constitutional provision does not supercede our national democratic interest. Every election is a referendum on leadership just as for the constitution. The voice of the people is? Not the voice of some Ghanian lady or Argentinian actor.
Ras Kienyeji Man
nostoppingthis
#4 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 1:36:46 PM
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Pertinent issues!! Baks is simply quite as usual...he has failed to show leadership in guiding and stabilizing the country with the under-current.
butterflyke
#5 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 1:46:46 PM
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Much Know wrote:
Africa has too many issues with ICC to take it seriously. Remember Al-Bashir was our guest when that constitution you are talking about was being promulgated. ICC is not a prefect to our new justice system. I would lump it with kadhi courts. The spirit of the constitutional provision does not supercede our national democratic interest. Every election is a referendum on leadership just as for the constitution. The voice of the people is? Not the voice of some Ghanian lady or Argentinian actor.



She is Gambian

You are right, every election is a referendum on leadership and citizenship/patriotism
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
Obi 1 Kanobi
#6 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 2:05:33 PM
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Wow @B. Timer, take a bow.

Very heartfelt and sincere concerns.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
tycho
#7 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 2:10:37 PM
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A friend of mine gave me an important lesson on Kenyan 'politics'.

'Kabla mjipange, mshapangwa'.

So, you can infer the reason behind the silence.
Much Know
#8 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 2:31:05 PM
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@butterflyke, thanks for the correction, a Gambian(the smallest county in Africa) lady/lawyer. We should respect ICC however. BTW Ocampo was an actor in local soap operas in Argentina. When he was accused of rape in 2006 whilst at ICC, he did not resign. There was a cover up maybe.
Ras Kienyeji Man
mawinder
#9 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 2:39:47 PM
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Joined: 4/30/2008
Posts: 6,029
B.Timer wrote:


Kenya seems to be hurtling towards a cliff!

All caution seems have been thrown to the wind.

What, with Uhuru/Ruto ticket for the top leadership of this country in brazen disregard of;

 The requirement and indeed the expectation of most Kenyans that, ICC accused persons cannot, and should not hold public office as influential as President and his deputy.
 The imminent dire consequences for the Country, in the event of their ascension to power –economic crunch, Diplomatic isolation etc.
 The sheer common decency, morality and respect for the people of Kenya – not to be led by suspected, criminals.
 The awfully polarising effect of the candidature of the two – that portends a real risk of driving the country to yet another precipice.

One man that could steer the country from that most perilous route is KIBAKI.

In fact, he needed to show leadership on this crucial matter much earlier – by advising the country PUBLICLY that it was not our interest that ICC accused persons run for office.

That effortless act would have discouraged the duo from running, thereby helping the country remain calm and conducive to business.

It might be getting too late and that opportunity is quickly fading out.
This prompts the question;

WHERE DOES KIBAKI WANT KENYA TO GO?
Or
DOES HE CARE WHAT KENYA COULD BE COMING TO?

In the run up to 2007, signals that trouble awaited us were not acted upon effectively, leading to the regrettable aftermath that continues to haunt us to date.

It is troubling that the same see no evil, hear no evil attitude is to be applied yet again if the hitherto posturing is anything to go by.

Incidentally, does Kibaki care about Ethnic chauvinism/harmony in this Country. Is he content with being succeeded by a Man from his community – to become 4th President bearing in mind that amongst the last three, ONLY ONE was not from that community.

Does he care what the feeling would be in the other communities in the face of such an unhealthy situation/imbalance!

Whether or not Kibaki is a statesman is in serious test.

Silence is a form of communication – acquiescence, tacit approval.

I wait to be proven wrong, over to you.

kibaki has no such powers.The powers are vested in the constitution and acts of parliament and it is the judiciary to interpret the law.his opinion on the matter does not matter.as for the presidency being the preserve of one community should not arise as kenyans have a wide range of choices e.g tuju,madvd,kiyiapi,oar,kamenchu,wajackoya,mailu,wakoli,wetangula etc.nobody has forced kenyans to vote for a particular candidate.
richdad
#10 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 2:40:34 PM
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We are 1000 times better of with ICC suspects than the power hungry coup fellow.

What ODM said yesterday in Mombasa scares me. I will vote UHURUTO not because they are the best but its the only way to avoid the dictator.

Keep it simple
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