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Nobby
#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:30:04 AM
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Now that the two are in partnership,Come March 5th 2013 if the two actualy win the votes and i must say that its a possibilty what would be the impact on Kenya?
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nostoppingthis
#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:35:28 AM
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There will be peace in Rift Valley and Kaleos will buy land in Central Kenya...
essyk
#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:38:01 AM
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Like seriously what do these guys think they can do for kenya which they never thought of doing all the years they have served?
I am not voting anybody.I am voting actions/results.
Some news make me feel like I am chewing a tasteless ballgum.

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Mo
#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:53:46 AM
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if the 2 make the next govt, then we have another zimbambwe right here on home soil. you may rant about western interference et al but the swahili have a saying "mwenye nguvu mpishe" tafakari hayo!
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
Nobby
#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:59:53 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
There will be peace in Rift Valley and Kaleos will buy land in Central Kenya...


You must be living in pluto!!
The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
nostoppingthis
#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:08:21 AM
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Nobby wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
There will be peace in Rift Valley and Kaleos will buy land in Central Kenya...


You must be living in pluto!!


This is the Kenya dream, where people can co-exist!!! Where anyone can buy land and live in any place within Kenya...do business etc.

@Nobby, believe that the highlighted part can happen in your lifetime...I know you are used to the vice versa
mawinder
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:12:57 AM
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@Nobby,you are the one living in Pluto.I have several kale,jang'o neighbours who have bought land in Edenville Kiambu and I don't think elections will in any way affect the land ownership.remember we have the new land laws and the constitution.
Jump-steady
#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:20:05 AM
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mawinder wrote:
@Nobby,you are the one living in Pluto.I have several kale,jang'o neighbours who have bought land in Edenville Kiambu and I don't think elections will in any way affect the land ownership.remember we have the new land laws and the constitution.


@Mawinder, you have laid-it-on-the-line. Well said Applause Applause



richdad
#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:28:10 AM
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Some people will cry and call for mass action but there will be nobody to fight for them.

Ruto is a performer. He changed a lot in the ministry of agriculture and did great thing in his 3 months in ministry of higher education.

Uhuru revolutionized micro banking when in charge of finance.

Yes there is the ICC issue but do we have alternatives? Raila = Kibera for over 20yrs (he benefits when people remain poor) = kazi kwa vijana, maize, kisumu land issues etc. Nepotisms and will never forgive him for 40 against 1 an 1982 coup.

PK. Not tested with power. Has very few supporters of idealists and diaspora fellows who have no idea of problems facing common Mwananchi. His campaign funding is questionable.

Martha = unknown bitterness=Dictator.

The rest = just having fun.

My vote=Uhuru+Ruto.

International community....we have China, Russia and Africa.
Keep it simple
maka
#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:29:08 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
There will be peace in Rift Valley and Kaleos will buy land in Central Kenya...

...its very sad that we cant coexist unless we have our tribal kings working together in some sort of pact,this is shallow narrow minded thinking...its ok let them go ahead,vie n win if they like,nobody knows what their plan is thereafter but we as kenyan citizens will bear the brunt,no country can afford to isolate itself at this time and age,you cant claim to be an island and hope to survive,people just talk for the sake of talking but when the rubber hits the road thats when you,l say "I wish I knew"
possunt quia posse videntur
richdad
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:35:20 AM
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maka wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
There will be peace in Rift Valley and Kaleos will buy land in Central Kenya...

...its very sad that we cant coexist unless we have our tribal kings working together in some sort of pact,this is shallow narrow minded thinking...its ok let them go ahead,vie n win if they like,nobody knows what their plan is thereafter but we as kenyan citizens will bear the brunt,no country can afford to isolate itself at this time and age,you cant claim to be an island and hope to survive,people just talk for the sake of talking but when the rubber hits the road thats when you,l say "I wish I knew"



They still remain a million times better than someone who will run with 40 against 1 rule. Divisive politics will kill Kenya faster than what a bad economy can.

Cheap propaganda I would call it. ICC has no issue with UK being president. There is no warrant of arrest yet.

All Kenyan politicians are tribal Kings.
Keep it simple
nostoppingthis
#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:44:29 AM
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mawinder wrote:
@Nobby,you are the one living in Pluto.I have several kale,jang'o neighbours who have bought land in Edenville Kiambu and I don't think elections will in any way affect the land ownership.remember we have the new land laws and the constitution.


There are some places in Kenya, where even of you have bought the land legally, unaibiwa, mpaka uhame...your life is always threatened...this may not allow Kenyans to coexist!
TAZ
#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:50:47 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
mawinder wrote:
@Nobby,you are the one living in Pluto.I have several kale,jang'o neighbours who have bought land in Edenville Kiambu and I don't think elections will in any way affect the land ownership.remember we have the new land laws and the constitution.


There are some places in Kenya, where even of you have bought the land legally, unaibiwa, mpaka uhame...your life is always threatened...this may not allow Kenyans to coexist!



If you are so sure of what you are saying si useme ni wapi.
mawinder
#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:23:14 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
mawinder wrote:
@Nobby,you are the one living in Pluto.I have several kale,jang'o neighbours who have bought land in Edenville Kiambu and I don't think elections will in any way affect the land ownership.remember we have the new land laws and the constitution.


There are some places in Kenya, where even of you have bought the land legally, unaibiwa, mpaka uhame...your life is always threatened...this may not allow Kenyans to coexist!

@nostoppingthis,weka link.
eduu
#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:23:34 AM
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I dont think Ruto and Uhuru are any worse than Raila.
If Raila got anyone of them to support him, or supported one of them, they will be saints to the people posting negatively about them here.
Just read posting when Raila met Ruto. Kalonzo has stopped being a watermelon now that he was meeting ODM for coalition talks.
alma
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:43:44 AM
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eduu wrote:
I dont think Ruto and Uhuru are any worse than Raila.
If Raila got anyone of them to support him, or supported one of them, they will be saints to the people posting negatively about them here.
Just read posting when Raila met Ruto. Kalonzo has stopped being a watermelon now that he was meeting ODM for coalition talks.


This is very dangerous thinking.Shame on you

Raila is still the one of molases, Kalonzo is still the watermelon, Ruto is still going to the Hague and Uhuru is still going to the Hague.

What is happening is that some of us are still not reading the tea leaves.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:46:01 AM
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What happened here so that Kenyans began to see different parts of the country as belonging to this and that community? Until Kenyans are able to live, buy land and do business anyway in the country in practice and not theoretically as contained in the constitution. Untill every corner of Kenya became so cosmopolitan that no one would ever start thinking that this and that area is for this and that people, only then would land clashes and evictions and tribal voting blocs become history. It's only until such a time that our leaders would start campaigning on more national agendas and only then would we elect better leaders.
LIFE IS SO GOOD
Nobby
#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:06:06 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Nobby wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
There will be peace in Rift Valley and Kaleos will buy land in Central Kenya...


You must be living in pluto!!


This is the Kenya dream, where people can co-exist!!! Where anyone can buy land and live in any place within Kenya...do business etc.

@Nobby, believe that the highlighted part can happen in your lifetime...I know you are used to the vice versa


We are all dreaming of a Kenya where we can peacefully coexist and live together in whichever location and can buy and sell anywhere we want in Kenya without fear, but i think you need to look at the root of the problems ( tribalisim and land issues) that we have in Kenya to understand how it can be resolved.A simple power sharing agreement between two politicials will not solve the underlaying problem.This is purely and selfish arrangement between two people with an ambition to rule the country and the benefits that come with it and it is not about Kenya at all.If it was about kenya, by now we would have resolved the long term issues that we have been having as a nation. We must look at the issue with an open mind without the tribal glasses or we will never see the elephant in the house clealy!! They two problems i have mentioned earlier together with the ICC issue cannot be wished away and must be tackled as a nation till resolved!!
The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
nostoppingthis
#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:52:15 PM
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eduu wrote:
I dont think Ruto and Uhuru are any worse than Raila.
If Raila got anyone of them to support him, or supported one of them, they will be saints to the people posting negatively about them here.
Just read posting when Raila met Ruto. Kalonzo has stopped being a watermelon now that he was meeting ODM for coalition talks.


Whether he meets ODM or not, he remains a watermelon!!! remember he is still with MaDvD, and his lieutenants are with ODM...

WSR cannot rejoin ODM, especially with the Hague load on him...

What is the UMK/WSR strategy? Is it so that hwne they go to the Hague, they can convince the judges that they can coexist and charges labelled against them are false? Judge will be asked, "How do I join up with someone you claim to be my enemy?"
maka
#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:24:38 PM
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Nobby wrote:

Now that the two are in partnership,Come March 5th 2013 if the two actualy win the votes and i must say that its a possibilty what would be the impact on Kenya?

...All in all its a shame that in a nation of 40 million plus Kenyans we cannot be able to elect a leader whose integrity is unquestionable,someone whose upright and doesnt have the baggage of court cases,someone who doesnt have a tribal chief badge on his or her coat,someone who will present equally the needs of every kenyan no matter what tribe you come from...no matter how you look at it,its a simple as that
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