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Kenyan police force and our new progressive Constitution
sheri
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:26:14 AM
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I listened to Kiraithe yesterday and realized Kenyans are in for a long haul. For once I felt for him. Our new progressive Katiba is a poisoned chalice truth be told. Our Mboys don't want to be filmed using any force on these criminals. You can keep on blaming Rao and Baks' but things are elephant when it comes to security matters and the Constitution.Shame on you Wait until you get an inspector general who is not from any of the forces.
alma
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:15:45 AM
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@sheri

The problem with the old kenya police is that they only way they solved issues was with the barrel of a gun. Ask them to investigate and they round up everyone including the cat and beat them up until they get a "confession".

Things have changed. That is true. But the cops have decided to remain the same.

But blaming a constitution for your being inept at curbing crimes, inept at curbing riots, inept at curbing Tana, inept in all matters except making crazy statements on TV is rather rather rather inept.

The problem with Kenya is security. The people in charge of security are in the police. The people in charge of the police are..........

Whatever you fill the blanks with is the problem with Kenya.

If we get an inpector general from the current police leadership, I'm one of those that believe that, Kenya will rot from the inside.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Impunity
#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:31:41 AM
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sheri wrote:
I listened to Kiraithe yesterday and realized Kenyans are in for a long haul. For once I felt for him. Our new progressive Katiba is a poisoned chalice truth be told. Our Mboys don't want to be filmed using any force on these criminals. You can keep on blaming Rao and Baks' but things are elephant when it comes to security matters and the Constitution.Shame on you Wait until you get an inspector general who is not from any of the forces.


Then they should consider laying ambush to the bandits at night, since they were attacked in the dead of the night!
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tassia
#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:58:51 AM
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@Alma. If you once listened to deputy police spokesman, on this topic you would know where the problem is. I almost thought he would be sacked because of the things he said.

He is himself an investigator but he actually said they do not have the tools. He actually admitted that they are using just the rule of thumb in investigations. He said what they are doing is like ploughing a 20 hectare farm with a piece of wood. He challeged citizens on how much they invest in the police through the government.

He admitted that the government has never invested in him since he graduated from Police College. He mentioned the tools developed government's use on a day to day basis and especially to track people like in USA and UK and he seemed quite informed. But if also admitted that if we try to use such tools in Kenya, we will start shouting ...our privacy....our privacy.

He also admitted that the taking of Ali to the ICC has affected the commanders and they are hesitant to issue firm orders to the police and this may explain why the police were complaining that they were not getting firm orders from their superiors especially during the Mombasa riots.

He also mentioned examples like a police car has a daily allocation of I think 11 or 16 litres per day...I do not remember. And that is why police at times ask you to pay for the fuel if the daily limit has been used up. He asked, "Do you expect police to pay from their pocket"

The police came from the society and it is upon the society to invest in them to make them better. Having an inspector general from outside the police is not the solution, it is just like changing the KACC bosses without empowering the institution. By the way there are learned fellows in the police force who knows what should be done but they do not have the tools. I would still go for an inspector general from the police if the selection process was open and they go for the best.

I wish that video was recorded, you would understand where the problem is and not just blame the police.

nakujua
#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:00:28 AM
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the former president mentioned that this whole police reform should be placed on hold until the next elections - considering what happened to Major Ali, you get the feeling no cop wants to be caught in the same mess.
I doubt if anyone would have dared kill a cop or burn down a police post in the past, even the community would not tolerate that because of what would happen.
I believe that fear is required when it comes to the police especially the GSU and APs.
murchr
#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:03:54 AM
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Impunity wrote:
sheri wrote:
I listened to Kiraithe yesterday and realized Kenyans are in for a long haul. For once I felt for him. Our new progressive Katiba is a poisoned chalice truth be told. Our Mboys don't want to be filmed using any force on these criminals. You can keep on blaming Rao and Baks' but things are elephant when it comes to security matters and the Constitution.Shame on you Wait until you get an inspector general who is not from any of the forces.


Then they should consider laying ambush to the bandits at night, since they were attacked in the dead of the night!
d'oh!


Then the next morning, the useless Kenya human rights commission will be giving orders to the DPP to either prosecute or take them to the hague
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma
#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:04:27 AM
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@Tassia is that the new spin now?

That the Police are the victims?

Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
McReggae
#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:20:03 AM
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Mbona hii constitution haijamaliza TKK!!!
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tassia
#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:21:10 AM
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[quote=alma]@Tassia is that the new spin now?

That the Police are the victims?

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Yes, they are if that what you want to hear. Before you blame them, get all the facts from them and also from treasury about their annual budget proposals on specific important equipments necessary for their work and whether theses have been granted.

Is it wrong for the deputy police spokesman to say they measure poorly on investigations because of poor funding. Do you want the police to pay for these equipments from their pockets, how much can you do a task without the right tools. When criminals have become sophisticated the police must up the game and it is not by getting an inspector general from outside the police. We must equip the police.
Impunity
#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:25:36 AM
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McReggae wrote:
Mbona hii constitution haijamaliza TKK!!!


It has only changed the meaning of the last "K".
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