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I take it that i am poor at explaining stuff or my "students" are plain dumb. Can i facilitate a free factory visit anywhere in East Africa? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Njung'e wrote:I take it that i am poor at explaining stuff or my "students" are plain dumb. Can i facilitate a free factory visit anywhere in East Africa? Or as the saying goes, common sense is not so common. Monopoly was the industrial age money game and the name of the new game of money today in the information age is CASHFLOW
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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CASHFLOW202 wrote:sparkly wrote:Njung'e wrote:@Cashflow, Maybe my point did not come out clearly. The hard part about cane comes when you are crushing it. As it is, small hand driven or motor driven household crushers will do fine if you were making juice for human consumption.They have no capacity to crush hard cane and as such, you would require mill house crushers. Normal mill crushers are heavy duty and some are meant to pass as much as 380 tonnes of cane per hour. Where do you start?. Cane knives, pound the cane using heavy duty hammers, shred (the smallest shredder i have seen weighs not less than 6 tonnes and has to be run at speeds of between 6500 to 8500 revs per minute!  . Most, are steam driven even though technology is bringing in VFDs), scald using steam in the region of 180 degrees C (You would require a scalder and hence a medium pressure boiler of minimum 22TPH) and carry out diffusing (Here, you decant and lime) before passing your megasse through mill tandems to extract juice. Now, your hand crusher does not require all the said cane prep steps to get your juice.After cane prep comes de-watering and here you require mills running alongside HP hydraulics capable of delivering crushing pressure in the region of 20-30 MPa.In a nutshell, cane preparation is heavy duty machinery,capital and labour intensive. Let's not go to the maintenance and running costs...........really, being an engineer, you should already be seeing the impracticality!.....It's like hiring an FH lorry to transport 2 bags of maize from Mombasa to Nairobi! Juice is an intermediary product in sugar manufacture. @Cashflow's question is why the juice cannot be bottled and sold to those who like sugarcane juice @sparkly, that is the question am precisely asking. Forget the technicalities as most of these arguments don't add up. Like when one says that the current crashers at mumias would produce less juice if it went the juice way than it does sugar thus comparing a FH lorry carrying 2bags. The cane juice destined from sugar production through crystallization is not in a form it can be safely consumed by a human being, only an ignorant dunderhead can consume it. Its dirty, with sand particles, dead rodents, dead pythons, dried shiets etal...it has to go through some chemical cleaning before it can be consumed. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,055 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:CASHFLOW202 wrote:sparkly wrote:Njung'e wrote:@Cashflow, Maybe my point did not come out clearly. The hard part about cane comes when you are crushing it. As it is, small hand driven or motor driven household crushers will do fine if you were making juice for human consumption.They have no capacity to crush hard cane and as such, you would require mill house crushers. Normal mill crushers are heavy duty and some are meant to pass as much as 380 tonnes of cane per hour. Where do you start?. Cane knives, pound the cane using heavy duty hammers, shred (the smallest shredder i have seen weighs not less than 6 tonnes and has to be run at speeds of between 6500 to 8500 revs per minute! . Most, are steam driven even though technology is bringing in VFDs), scald using steam in the region of 180 degrees C (You would require a scalder and hence a medium pressure boiler of minimum 22TPH) and carry out diffusing (Here, you decant and lime) before passing your megasse through mill tandems to extract juice. Now, your hand crusher does not require all the said cane prep steps to get your juice.After cane prep comes de-watering and here you require mills running alongside HP hydraulics capable of delivering crushing pressure in the region of 20-30 MPa.In a nutshell, cane preparation is heavy duty machinery,capital and labour intensive. Let's not go to the maintenance and running costs...........really, being an engineer, you should already be seeing the impracticality!.....It's like hiring an FH lorry to transport 2 bags of maize from Mombasa to Nairobi! Juice is an intermediary product in sugar manufacture. @Cashflow's question is why the juice cannot be bottled and sold to those who like sugarcane juice @sparkly, that is the question am precisely asking. Forget the technicalities as most of these arguments don't add up. Like when one says that the current crashers at mumias would produce less juice if it went the juice way than it does sugar thus comparing a FH lorry carrying 2bags. The cane juice destined from sugar production through crystallization is not in a form it can be safely consumed by a human being, only an ignorant dunderhead can consume it. Its dirty, with sand particles, dead rodents, dead pythons, dried shiets etal...it has to go through some chemical cleaning before it can be consumed. This is putting me off sugar!!! Heck, I should stick to "natural" sugar in fruits and sweet potatoes. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,055 Location: Nairobi
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mawinder wrote:Njung'e wrote:@VVs,
What Mawinder describes above are varieties of cane mostly used by sugar millers. Not the chewable type you are looking for. Let's say the are over 30 varieties of cane but again, they are classified into 3 categories namely, chewing cane, Chrystal cane and syrup cane. If i am not wrong, the variety you are looking for (sweet/sweet) is called Noble but i must also add that, 2 other varieties namely, Home Green and Georgia Red are equally good. I actually prefer Georgia Red in that it has extra long nods and therefore peeling with your teeth is quite easy. It's a little tough though, unlike Noble. There aren't many people who can point for you this varieties and as someone put it here, go out and sample,then pick your seedlings for the stock you chose. I hope this helps. They are also chewable. I used to chew them when I served as a cane cutter after completing my studies. However fellows like VVS may not be able to chew the cane I described.  Probably not! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,055 Location: Nairobi
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Njung'e wrote:@VVs,
What Mawinder describes above are varieties of cane mostly used by sugar millers. Not the chewable type you are looking for. Let's say there are over 30 varieties of cane but again, they are classified into 3 categories namely, chewing cane, Chrystal cane and syrup cane. If i am not wrong, the variety you are looking for (sweet/sweet) is called Noble but i must also add that, 2 other varieties namely, Home Green and Georgia Red are equally good. I actually prefer Georgia Red in that it has extra long nods and therefore peeling with your teeth is quite easy. It's a little tough though, unlike Noble. There aren't many people who can point out for you the various varieties and as someone put it here (Georgia Red is exceptional since it has a red/brown/maroon skin and so you should identify it easily), go out and sample,then pick your seedlings from the stock you chose. I hope this helps. Yes! I will seek out Georgia Red when I am ready!  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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VituVingiSana wrote:Njung'e wrote:@VVs,
What Mawinder describes above are varieties of cane mostly used by sugar millers. Not the chewable type you are looking for. Let's say there are over 30 varieties of cane but again, they are classified into 3 categories namely, chewing cane, Chrystal cane and syrup cane. If i am not wrong, the variety you are looking for (sweet/sweet) is called Noble but i must also add that, 2 other varieties namely, Home Green and Georgia Red are equally good. I actually prefer Georgia Red in that it has extra long nods and therefore peeling with your teeth is quite easy. It's a little tough though, unlike Noble. There aren't many people who can point out for you the various varieties and as someone put it here (Georgia Red is exceptional since it has a red/brown/maroon skin and so you should identify it easily), go out and sample,then pick your seedlings from the stock you chose. I hope this helps. Yes! I will seek out Georgia Red when I am ready! Back in the days we used to call the Georgia red as "Kampala"...anyone knows why name? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,901
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As @mawinder says all those sugarcane types are chewable!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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Angelica _ann wrote:As @mawinder says all those sugarcane types are chewable!!! Chewing the sugar brand sugarcane is not a business for the half hearted. First the cane is so small in diameter, the size of reeds...they are tough and feels like peeling a mature bamboo. If you walk along the Sugar belts especially in Mumias and Muhoroni, you will see men with extraordinary big jaws and mandibles. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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Angelica _ann wrote:As @mawinder says all those sugarcane types are chewable!!! As @swenani says even you. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:[quote=CASHFLOW202][quote=sparkly][quote=Njung'e]
The cane juice destined from sugar production through crystallization is not in a form it can be safely consumed by a human being, only an ignorant dunderhead can consume it.
Its dirty, with sand particles, dead rodents, dead pythons, dried shiets etal...it has to go through some chemical cleaning before it can be consumed.
..It's only consumable at syrup level even though it's still nothing to enjoy.That is the stuff that makes the base of your kawaida cough syrup and that is after undergoing very many processes.......Now, back in the days, a sugar mill attendant in Brazil disappeared and only his hair and shredded overall remains were noticed hours later....Let's toast to some mill cane juice .  On the "Kampala" name, i am told (I may not verify) that Indian coolies brought and started growing the Georgian Red variety in and around Kampala towards the end of railway construction. Kenyan traders who brought it back home coined the name (Not sure). Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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Njung'e wrote:Impunity wrote:[quote=CASHFLOW202][quote=sparkly][quote=Njung'e]
The cane juice destined from sugar production through crystallization is not in a form it can be safely consumed by a human being, only an ignorant dunderhead can consume it.
Its dirty, with sand particles, dead rodents, dead pythons, dried shiets etal...it has to go through some chemical cleaning before it can be consumed.
..It's only consumable at syrup level even though it's still nothing to enjoy.That is the stuff that makes the base of your kawaida cough syrup and that is after undergoing very many processes.......Now, back in the days, a sugar mill attendant in Brazil disappeared and only his hair and shredded overall remains were noticed hours later....Let's toast to some mill cane juice . On the "Kampala" name, i am told (I may not verify) that Indian coolies brought and started growing the Georgian Red variety in and around Kampala towards the end of railway construction. Kenyan traders who brought it back home coined the name (Not sure). Noted on the Kampala name. If someone wants to enjoy sugacane juice to enhance her landing gears and sweetness then he or she only needs to buy that domestic juicer, its very affordable. Then buy clean Kampala canes from those roadside/estate sugarcane hawkers...juice up and enjoy...but dont let it stay for more than 24hrs...itakuwa chang'aa. I recently bought a liter of cane juice from a supermarket exit hapo western, was planning to consume it pole pole for a couple of days, ole wangu! On the second day it was smelling like East African Malting, ile iko pale Likoni road. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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And what is it with some ladies making "sugarcane chewing sound" wakininiowa? #hides  Portfolio: Sold
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'Wazua juice' specially made from sugarcane.Soon in local shops.Watch out! Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:[quote=Njung'e][quote=Impunity][quote=CASHFLOW202][quote=sparkly][quote=Njung'e]
I recently bought a liter of cane juice from a supermarket exit hapo western, was planning to consume it pole pole for a couple of days, ole wangu! On the second day it was smelling like East African Malting, ile iko pale Likoni road.
....Pole . The reason they scald or add hot water,incubate and then lime mill sugar juice!.....btw, origino muratina used to be made from cane juice and that is where the name Kimiri comes from (Means the contraption used to mill the cane or the person who was a specialist in that work ) Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,055 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:Njung'e wrote:Impunity wrote:[quote=CASHFLOW202][quote=sparkly][quote=Njung'e]
The cane juice destined from sugar production through crystallization is not in a form it can be safely consumed by a human being, only an ignorant dunderhead can consume it.
Its dirty, with sand particles, dead rodents, dead pythons, dried shiets etal...it has to go through some chemical cleaning before it can be consumed.
..It's only consumable at syrup level even though it's still nothing to enjoy.That is the stuff that makes the base of your kawaida cough syrup and that is after undergoing very many processes.......Now, back in the days, a sugar mill attendant in Brazil disappeared and only his hair and shredded overall remains were noticed hours later....Let's toast to some mill cane juice . On the "Kampala" name, i am told (I may not verify) that Indian coolies brought and started growing the Georgian Red variety in and around Kampala towards the end of railway construction. Kenyan traders who brought it back home coined the name (Not sure). Noted on the Kampala name. If someone wants to enjoy sugacane juice to enhance her landing gears and sweetness then he or she only needs to buy that domestic juicer, its very affordable. Then buy clean Kampala canes from those roadside/estate sugarcane hawkers...juice up and enjoy...but dont let it stay for more than 24hrs... itakuwa chang'aa.I recently bought a liter of cane juice from a supermarket exit hapo western, was planning to consume it pole pole for a couple of days, ole wangu! On the second day it was smelling like East African Malting, ile iko pale Likoni road. And the problem is? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote:Impunity wrote:Njung'e wrote:Impunity wrote:[quote=CASHFLOW202][quote=sparkly][quote=Njung'e]
The cane juice destined from sugar production through crystallization is not in a form it can be safely consumed by a human being, only an ignorant dunderhead can consume it.
Its dirty, with sand particles, dead rodents, dead pythons, dried shiets etal...it has to go through some chemical cleaning before it can be consumed.
..It's only consumable at syrup level even though it's still nothing to enjoy.That is the stuff that makes the base of your kawaida cough syrup and that is after undergoing very many processes.......Now, back in the days, a sugar mill attendant in Brazil disappeared and only his hair and shredded overall remains were noticed hours later....Let's toast to some mill cane juice . On the "Kampala" name, i am told (I may not verify) that Indian coolies brought and started growing the Georgian Red variety in and around Kampala towards the end of railway construction. Kenyan traders who brought it back home coined the name (Not sure). Noted on the Kampala name. If someone wants to enjoy sugacane juice to enhance her landing gears and sweetness then he or she only needs to buy that domestic juicer, its very affordable. Then buy clean Kampala canes from those roadside/estate sugarcane hawkers...juice up and enjoy...but dont let it stay for more than 24hrs... itakuwa chang'aa.I recently bought a liter of cane juice from a supermarket exit hapo western, was planning to consume it pole pole for a couple of days, ole wangu! On the second day it was smelling like East African Malting, ile iko pale Likoni road. And the problem is? you will develop special ability to speak in tongues and ability to converse with the great greats in your lineage. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,325 Location: Masada
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muandiwambeu wrote: VituVingiSana wrote:Impunity wrote:Njung'e wrote:Impunity wrote:[quote=CASHFLOW202][quote=sparkly][quote=Njung'e]
The cane juice destined from sugar production through crystallization is not in a form it can be safely consumed by a human being, only an ignorant dunderhead can consume it.
Its dirty, with sand particles, dead rodents, dead pythons, dried shiets etal...it has to go through some chemical cleaning before it can be consumed.
..It's only consumable at syrup level even though it's still nothing to enjoy.That is the stuff that makes the base of your kawaida cough syrup and that is after undergoing very many processes.......Now, back in the days, a sugar mill attendant in Brazil disappeared and only his hair and shredded overall remains were noticed hours later....Let's toast to some mill cane juice . On the "Kampala" name, i am told (I may not verify) that Indian coolies brought and started growing the Georgian Red variety in and around Kampala towards the end of railway construction. Kenyan traders who brought it back home coined the name (Not sure). Noted on the Kampala name. If someone wants to enjoy sugacane juice to enhance her landing gears and sweetness then he or she only needs to buy that domestic juicer, its very affordable. Then buy clean Kampala canes from those roadside/estate sugarcane hawkers...juice up and enjoy...but dont let it stay for more than 24hrs... itakuwa chang'aa.I recently bought a liter of cane juice from a supermarket exit hapo western, was planning to consume it pole pole for a couple of days, ole wangu! On the second day it was smelling like East African Malting, ile iko pale Likoni road. And the problem is? you will develop special ability to speak in tongues and ability to converse with the great greats in your lineage. You will develop affinity to dring chang'aa (cham) and leave the fines like Jameson...these may adversely affect your health and the health of EABL too and Jubilee gaament in the long run. Portfolio: Sold
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