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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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Nothing like nusu mkate anymore,if we treat one part this way , then lets treat the other part the same way so as not to be biased, I know Raila has expressed interest in the next coming GE. He is a candidate unlike MK who is retiring. Despite all that he has been a PM for the last 5 years and MP for several years now. What would wazuans define as his legacy (Am not saying he is retiring) I hope the admin will delete this  ,but he has not deleted Kibakis What is Raila’s legacy?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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Good question. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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That's the problem with this post. It's like asking what's Bob Conmemore's legacy before he took over from MJ? You can't talk about legacies when someone wants to take control. You talk about it just before and after he's left control. The only legacies we can talk about now are JK, DM and now Kibs. Hii ya raila is premature to say the least especially since he might not even win the elections. So you might try starting another thread in the name of democracy but Kibs legacy is very simple.....There was a terror attack in Kenya 2 days ago....He's nowhere to be found. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Zea maiyes! 3-ton Panga kwa teeniz Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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@alma, his legacy doesn't have to be as a president. He's been an MP, Minister and now PM. What's his legacy? Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Ok Jus Lets suppose I agreed to that premise....would you also mind starting a thread on the legacies of Uhuru Kenyatta Ole Kiyapi Ruto Karua Saitoti Wentagula Peter Kenneth You know in the interests of being very very fair. Ama ni Raila tu alifanyakazi in Kibaki's gov't in the past 7 years. You do realise that its Kibaki's gov't don't you? Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 1,492 Location: Nairobi
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Hehehehe Kaish let Raila be the president first and serve then we can discuss his legacy. As per now with nusu mkate as you say it we are not grading him. Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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Geez, @alma. Why the hide and seek? Don't you have anything to say about him? Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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I do not know why I read intellectual dishonesty in this post. Is it a response to an attempt to weighing President Mwai Kibaki's legacy, who in effect bows out of Politics end of this year. Don't get me wrong, we should analyze the heck out of a Raila v/s Uhuru presidency. But are we mature enough to talk about Kibaki without bringing up his nemesis? @Jus Blazin, your post in this thread betrays your motive http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.as...&m=285596#post285596
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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dossy7 wrote:Hehehehe Kaish let Raila be the president first and serve then we can discuss his legacy.
As per now with nusu mkate as you say it we are not grading him. In equal breath, we can't discuss UK now, can we? Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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alma wrote:
You do realise that its Kibaki's gov't don't you?
Its a coalition govt, there are two principals, the President and the PM. I think the topic should have been "What has RAO done/achieved as PM"....If he wins the next elections then we'll analyze his performance as President after he retires. RAO is the second PM this country has ever had, what has he done with it....its that simple!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Jus Blazin Please be precise. Are you talking about legacy or tabia? You can discuss raila's, kalonzos, uk's tabias if you wish. You won't hear anyone arguing against you. But for legacies The only legacy we are talking about here is Kibs. And to be honest with you, I'm not impressed. So when you try to hide his failures behind, "it will be worse than Raila", you are being disingenuous. An alcholic must start by first accepting that his drinking is messing up his life. I suggest Kibs apologists do the same. To put it mildly for you...If RAO stole maize, the buck stops with Kibs. If UK was in PEV,the buck stops with Kibs...If grenades are being thrown in the city of Nairobi, the buck stops with Kibs. You can't sanitize him, the more you try, the more lousy seems. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 281
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alma wrote:Ok Jus
Lets suppose I agreed to that premise....would you also mind starting a thread on the legacies of
Uhuru Kenyatta
Ole Kiyapi
Ruto
Karua
Saitoti
Wentagula
Peter Kenneth
You know in the interests of being very very fair. Ama ni Raila tu alifanyakazi in Kibaki's gov't in the past 7 years.
You do realise that its Kibaki's gov't don't you? This is why we fail exams; the person who started this thread asked about RAO’s legacy. If one has nothing to say, can just ‘pass’! and it is in order to discuss anyone’s legacy not necessary a president. You have a choice of a starting your thread on the others be they those listed above, or Sonko, Waititu, Kalembe Ndile etc. …and lastly not a Kibaki government; thought was a nusu mukate
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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otienosmall wrote:[quote=alma]Ok Jus
Lets suppose I agreed to that premise....would you also mind starting a thread on the legacies of
Uhuru Kenyatta
Ole Kiyapi
Ruto
Karua
Saitoti
Wentagula
Peter Kenneth
You know in the interests of being very very fair. Ama ni Raila tu alifanyakazi in Kibaki's gov't in the past 7 years.
You do realise that its Kibaki's gov't don't you? ahhh your name says it all. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 1,492 Location: Nairobi
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Jus Blazin wrote:dossy7 wrote:Hehehehe Kaish let Raila be the president first and serve then we can discuss his legacy.
As per now with nusu mkate as you say it we are not grading him. In equal breath, we can't discuss UK now, can we? @Jus Blazin In these republic of Kenya we have had 3 presidents and if you see how all the presidents have been and how the legacies have been crafted,we must agree that its only logical to talk of a Kibaki legacy now and not any other presidential aspirant. For RO,UK,WR and ole kiyapi's all we can do is discuss their vision n want they plan to implement when given a chance to lead the country then 4 yrs later we discuss their legacy. Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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alma wrote:Jus Blazin Please be precise. Are you talking about legacy or tabia? You can discuss raila's, kalonzos, uk's tabias if you wish. You won't hear anyone arguing against you. But for legacies The only legacy we are talking about here is Kibs. And to be honest with you, I'm not impressed. So when you try to hide his failures behind, "it will be worse than Raila", you are being disingenuous. An alcholic must start by first accepting that his drinking is messing up his life. I suggest Kibs apologists do the same. To put it mildly for you...If RAO stole maize, the buck stops with Kibs. If UK was in PEV,the buck stops with Kibs...If grenades are being thrown in the city of Nairobi, the buck stops with Kibs. You can't sanitize him, the more you try, the more lousy seems. You want precision?? Please answer this without cowering: 'What has he done/achieved in the years he's been in government (7 years) and more so as a PM?' Just like @otienosmall has put it, you don't have to be a president to have a legacy. So yes, we can talk about RAO's legacy. He's been in the political scene for eons now. Surely, you must have something to say. @dossy, that goes for you as well. P.S 16 posts and nothing so far... Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Jus Blazin I will quote for you Ole Kiyapi When he was asked why his ministry had not fared very well, he said, it was because of the beuracracy in Gov't, his hands were tied....you know...Kibaki's gov't I'm 100% sure if you asked RAO right now he'll say, nusu mkate and serakali ya Kibaki...nyef nyef Legacies are left to those who can't pass the buck....Like Kibs. When you ask questions, be honest....We can smell a setup a mile away. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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muganda wrote:I do not know why I read intellectual dishonesty in this post. Is it a response to an attempt to weighing President Mwai Kibaki's legacy, who in effect bows out of Politics end of this year. Don't get me wrong, we should analyze the heck out of a Raila v/s Uhuru presidency. But are we mature enough to talk about Kibaki without bringing up his nemesis? @Jus Blazin, your post in this thread betrays your motive http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.as...&m=285596#post285596 @muganda, legacies are not confined to presidencies. Like in the quoted thread, I said we can only compare presidential legacies of JK, DT and MK. But that doesn't mean RAO doesn't have a legacy of his own, it's just that his is not as a president. Get my point? This thread is not about Kibs, at all. Check my post on http://wazua.co.ke/forum...sts&t=18856&p=6 #110. I tried to put into point form what UK had done as the Minister for Finance, that will be part of his legacy at the Treasury. Then I asked about RAO...the silence was deafening. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 1,492 Location: Nairobi
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We know how hard he worked for a new constitution,So will I be wrong to say that he gave Kenya a new constitution? Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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alma wrote:Jus Blazin I will quote for you Ole Kiyapi
When he was asked why his ministry had not fared very well, he said, it was because of the beuracracy in Gov't, his hands were tied....you know...Kibaki's gov't
I'm 100% sure if you asked RAO right now he'll say, nusu mkate and serakali ya Kibaki...nyef nyef
Legacies are left to those who can't pass the buck....Like Kibs.
When you ask questions, be honest....We can smell a setup a mile away. Really?  Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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