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SGL & Mudavadi ?
selah
#1 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 2:16:19 PM
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Something is up...Mudavadi is in the front page almost every day in the standard and a small meeting with opinion leaders in western was live on KTN.Who is funding this publicity in the standard group to prop Mudavadi...Is Moi behind this latest ODM split.

Money has definitely been 'poured' to make Mudavadi behave the way he is behaving....There is a systematic plan that is underway and unseen forces are behind it...I can Feel it.

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YesuWangu
#2 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 3:34:26 PM
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At least yeye he is going because of insults.

He has not left because of 'dictatorship in odm' or 'no democracy' in the democratic movement.

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madollar
#3 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 3:50:28 PM
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what about the star it been running this story as headline for at least 3 weeks .ODM supporters have started a campaign to potray MM as a moi project
Lucid_Iam
#4 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 3:53:22 PM
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By the time they (ODM) are done with him he will be on the same side as SKM. Traitor, watermelon, indecisive etc. He needs to have a proper strategy otherwise his presidential ambition will be dead in the waters.
nostoppingthis
#5 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 3:54:03 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
At least yeye he is going because of insults.

He has not left because of 'dictatorship in odm' or 'no democracy' in the democratic movement.

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Is Mudavadi going to conduct nominations where he is going so that it is democratic?

Didn't ODM start the process of changing their constitution to accommodate Mudavadi's views? including accepting to vote at the county level...
itz
#6 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 4:05:24 PM
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selah wrote:
Something is up...Mudavadi is in the front page almost every day in the standard and a small meeting with opinion leaders in western was live on KTN.Who is funding this publicity in the standard group to prop Mudavadi...Is Moi behind this latest ODM split.

Money has definitely been 'poured' to make Mudavadi behave the way he is behaving....There is a systematic plan that is underway and unseen forces are behind it...I can Feel it.


SKM and 80% of the media are on ODM/Rao side.Please read all the news in its entirety for a few weeks and you will see what am talking about if you are not biased.
Ngalaka
#7 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 4:40:53 PM
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Mudavadi was a mere guest in ODM - nyumba ya wenyewe.

On behalf of Raila, the inner circle of kina Midiwo, Nyong'o and Orengo would decide which direction to steer matters in ODM without much reference to Mudavadi.

Aside from there being no chance of fair nomination, when Mudavadi showed some ambition, the contemptuous calls/utterances (insults) started flowing his way.

Surely he had to leave!

About SGL - the media house specialises in ODM news.
At the moment Mudavadi is still in the party albeit nominally.
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kollabo
#8 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 4:43:51 PM
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Who is he? The one person who started the game of joining parties, rocking and wrecking them from within, then jumping to other splinter parties, manipulating their constitutions, fixing figurehead officials, re-naming new parties, losing out on them, buying other parties, creating useless summits and the list goes on....
TAZ
#9 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2012 5:08:43 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:


Didn't ODM start the process of changing their constitution to accommodate Mudavadi's views? including accepting to vote at the county level...


ODM's party constitution stipulates that the party leader will be the automatic presidential candidate, MM wanted that changed to give other members a chance to vote for their preferred candidate....he also wanted each county to vote separately instead of gathering delegates in Nairobi to make the decision.

ODM has already filed its constitution with the Registrar of Political Parties, ati the changes will come in later on....clearly the idea was to lock MM in ndio ashindwe kuhama in case he's dissatisfied with anything.
YesuWangu
#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:36:11 AM
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TAZ wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:


Didn't ODM start the process of changing their constitution to accommodate Mudavadi's views? including accepting to vote at the county level...


ODM's party constitution stipulates that the party leader will be the automatic presidential candidate, MM wanted that changed to give other members a chance to vote for their preferred candidate....he also wanted each county to vote separately instead of gathering delegates in Nairobi to make the decision.

ODM has already filed its constitution with the Registrar of Political Parties, ati the changes will come in later on....clearly the idea was to lock MM in ndio ashindwe kuhama in case he's dissatisfied with anything.


Taz, you purport to speak as if you are informed.

Kindly out line the process of changing a registered political party constitution according to the rules.

I expect that nominations for the new parties and buses will be as chaotic as they were in 2007, except for those parties that have refined their structures since then, if they did refine their structures.

Taz, what do you expect? Do you expect a smooth electoral process starting from within the parties? Or a reset everytime with the accompanying fall outs?

nostoppingthis
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:00:59 AM
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TAZ wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:


Didn't ODM start the process of changing their constitution to accommodate Mudavadi's views? including accepting to vote at the county level...


ODM's party constitution stipulates that the party leader will be the automatic presidential candidate, MM wanted that changed to give other members a chance to vote for their preferred candidate....he also wanted each county to vote separately instead of gathering delegates in Nairobi to make the decision.

ODM has already filed its constitution with the Registrar of Political Parties, ati the changes will come in later on....clearly the idea was to lock MM in ndio ashindwe kuhama in case he's dissatisfied with anything.


as @YW has mentioned....

Anyway, me thinks the deadline of 30th April 2012 was fast approaching, why not beat the deadline first and then change the ODM constitution....especially that the party has explicitly mentioned it to the Registrar of parties that it will change it's constitution in line with Mudavadi's demands....and also accepting that they will nominate the presidential candidate according to how Mudavadi wants it...did he run away because he sensed defeat whatever method was going to be used by ODM???

Is ODM the only party being judged using the highest standards? has any other registered party shown any interest in nominating their presidential candidate democratically as they expect ODM to do? especially at the county level?

I still think ODM should change their constitution whether Mudavadi leaves or not....it is a party that should remain strong for years to come...hopefully! and choose it's presidential candidates using that method unlike others who are being fronted by their communities, "mtu akitaka kura za Central Kenya aongee na Uhuru"
selah
#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:48:06 AM
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The reasons Mudavadi is giving for parting ways with ODM should have been tackled long time ago not just a few months to registration deadline.

Although I am a Martha Karua supporter...I find it disingenuous for mudavadi to insist on grassroot nomination....can ODM have the resources to protect itself from enemy infiltration who can use the open opportunity to nominate weak candidates.

Even in the US delegates(colleges) nominates a presidential candidate.Why wuld Mudavadi insist on this risky route given the pitfalls that wuld befall the ODM party.

IMHO some one is behind Mudavadi latest move just like his last detour where he abandoned LDP and made history as one of the shortest serving vice president.This latest detour might cost him again.



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TAZ
#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:51:24 AM
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@ YW and Nostopping.......Stop talking about other parties, the issue here is MM and ODM. I'm sure when time comes we will also discuss the rest! IMHO watu kama Midiwo and Nyongo are liabilities to ODM, they should have been kicked out instead of MM, Najib, WR and the rest.

@ Selah, I totally agree with you ODM should have dealt with MM's issues immediately after NEC passed the resolution to ammend the constitution. On MM's detour, i believe this time it won't be as costly as 2002. So many people think that its RAO who sealed MM's fate after he ditched LDP but i think the main reason was the late Wamalwa's influence in Western and his role in NARC. I don't think there's anyone else who has that kind of support within ODM.
nostoppingthis
#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:10:50 AM
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selah wrote:
The reasons Mudavadi is giving for parting ways with ODM should have been tackled long time ago not just a few months to registration deadline.

Although I am a Martha Karua supporter...I find it disingenuous for mudavadi to insist on grassroot nomination....can ODM have the resources to protect itself from enemy infiltration who can use the open opportunity to nominate weak candidates.

Even in the US delegates(colleges) nominates a presidential candidate.Why wuld Mudavadi insist on this risky route given the pitfalls that wuld befall the ODM party.

IMHO some one is behind Mudavadi latest move just like his last detour where he abandoned LDP and made history as one of the shortest serving vice president.This latest detour might cost him again.

Mudavadi et al were at the meeting that drafted the ODM constitution to have the party leader as presidential candidate, why did he have a change of heart at the last minute? Why raise his concerns now? Is their a force pushing him....I think his move is late!!! and the "small" party he wants to take over, I hope he manages to register it and put in place structures....the dude has an uphill task...



pariah
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:42:45 AM
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i have a few questions 1. when did MM realize he wanted to run 2. when was the constitution made 3. How is the party leader chosen (cant they vote a party leader who then automatically becomes a candidate?)


MM is definitely a MOI project, Mark Too (Mr Fix it) has been assigned to baby sit him, If tehy manage to get WR to support him, RAO's goose is cooked


ION I will vote for Martha or Kiyapi, havent decided yet


nostoppingthis
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:05:04 PM
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@Lolest, what's the 411 on National Alliance Party? Nasikia Ngino has refused to hand the prince the party!!??
YesuWangu
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:07:41 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@ YW and Nostopping.......Stop talking about other parties, the issue here is MM and ODM. I'm sure when time comes we will also discuss the rest! IMHO watu kama Midiwo and Nyongo are liabilities to ODM, they should have been kicked out instead of MM, Najib, WR and the rest.

.


lol.

Ah, there you have made sense. I too think midiwo has little to add but a lot to substract.....

I am sure when the time comes, we will discuss the other parties.

But how could odm have dealt with MMs issues? Can you explain to me step by step what they could have done?


Lolest!
#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:44:42 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
@Lolest, what's the 411 on National Alliance Party? Nasikia Ngino has refused to hand the prince the party!!??

I wonder why you think I would know. Is the Ngino you are referring to Mr Lawrence Nginyo Kariuki?
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:54:57 PM
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pariah wrote:
i have a few questions 1. when did MM realize he wanted to run 2. when was the constitution made 3. How is the party leader chosen (cant they vote a party leader who then automatically becomes a candidate?)


MM is definitely a MOI project, Mark Too (Mr Fix it) has been assigned to baby sit him, If tehy manage to get WR to support him, RAO's goose is cooked


ION I will vote for Martha or Kiyapi, havent decided yet





The Moi/Mr Fix it angle could be true

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:02:40 PM
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I wouldn't vote for Mudavadi even if I saw the 12 deciples anointing him. You have got to be kidding me.
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