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Konza City featured on K24 all week this week
muthoniruth
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:44:23 PM
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Jeff Koinange will be featuring Konza City all week this week. Please watch this to become more enlightened on the same.

We can later discuss the same from an informed point of view.
eboomerang
#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:03:57 PM
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muthoniruth wrote:
Jeff Koinange will be featuring Konza City all week this week. Please watch this to become more enlightened on the same.

We can later discuss the same from an informed point of view.

Do you mean this discussion with Dr Bitange Ndemo: Link
muthoniruth
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:50:41 PM
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Yes Eboomerang, plus more interviews daily all week this week. Yesterday was Dr. Bitange Ndemo, Today was Mugo Kabati of Vision 2030.
Jeff Koinange is interviewing different ple daily.
Thanks for the link!
a4architect.com
#4 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:38:28 AM
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@ muthoniruth..i watched the K24 Ndemo/Koinange interview.

After so much deliberations in forums about the concept in relation to existing buildings such as Sammeer ICT Park, Ndemo still insists that Nairobi properties e.g Sammeer ICT park can not be occupied by ICT firms coz they do not have fire escapes,toilets, ventilation e.t.c.

He insists Konza city will attract ICT firms coz the buildings will be to international standards including the said facilities.

I dont buy into his logic because it takes an average of 1 week for a construction industry professional to install all the above facilities in any building.

These facilities cost 0.001% of the total building construction cost so money is usually not the issue-all a potential client needs to do is to request for the same and the landlord will not even ask for an increase in rent.

Ndemo should look for another viable reason as to why Sammeer ICT Park is still not fully occupied.

E.g Maybe their rents are high e.t.c but the sub-standard building reason does not hold water.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:07:41 AM
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See this forum where Ndemo is a regular participant

http://www.kictanet.or.k...mp;cpage=1#comment-2213

Quote from the site ..
Quote:
Robert, Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the organization will be on its knees. I see no reason for celebrating contradictions of our policy makers. We have traveled this road before and came through. You recall the registration of Teams that almost derailed the entire process.

Our culture lets us down in every aspect. We treasure negativity and pray that one falls in every positive step that is made. When Confucious said, ” a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step”, he meant that that you should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the opportunities of moving at least one step. Yes we have seen white elephants but that does not mean we don’t try.

Two of the world’s outsourcing companies have been around searching for real estate to rent. Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that meets international standards. Large buildings have only one fire escape that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is no exit. Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water sprinklers. Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates more than 300 people. I could say more..

Konza is not in any threat. This is our future where we shall create not only employment but a safe work environment. I would bet that Robert will be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.

In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was another story about the rise of rental cost in China. A clear opportunity for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue Mellon University Partnership).

Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with my daughter’s choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert’s son, I will talk her out of it. Robert if you continue like this, you will make a bad father in law.

Ndemo.
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mkeiyd
#6 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:35:07 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@ muthoniruth..i watched the K24 Ndemo/Koinange interview.

After so much deliberations in forums about the concept in relation to existing buildings such as Sammeer ICT Park, Ndemo still insists that Nairobi properties e.g Sammeer ICT park can not be occupied by ICT firms coz they do not have fire escapes,toilets, ventilation e.t.c.

He insists Konza city will attract ICT firms coz the buildings will be to international standards including the said facilities.

I dont buy into his logic because it takes an average of 1 week for a construction industry professional to install all the above facilities in any building.

These facilities cost 0.001% of the total building construction cost so money is usually not the issue-all a potential client needs to do is to request for the same and the landlord will not even ask for an increase in rent.

Ndemo should look for another viable reason as to why Sammeer ICT Park is still not fully occupied.

E.g Maybe their rents are high e.t.c but the sub-standard building reason does not hold water.


If you can tell us, why is it that they don't install those facilities if they are that cheap,compared to the total cost?
I have checked some nice buildings in nairobi and they don't have those sprinklers on their ceilings.

Why don't they do it?

I also asked sometime back where can one get at least 10,000 sq ft for BOP and nobody seemed to know.

The points Ndemo raised are very valid.
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a4architect.com
#7 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:11:45 AM
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@mkeiyd..it boils down to the regulations and by laws set by the Local Govt through Councils.

As a developer, it makes more sense to offer the basics only. The Govt then enforces the bylaws to ensure developers adhere to certain standards.

Thats why you will notice most buildings in CBD have a fire hydrant[pipe allowing water to be pushed from ground floor to the upper floors in case of fire] and sprinkler system.

This is because City Council enforces this requirement only in CBD buildings . If it enforces this requirement in the whole of Nairobi including Mombasa road sammeer ICT park including residential homes, they will install.

Also, landlords will install if a tenant requests for this since it makes business sense.

The recent fire in Kimathi House CBD is a perfect example to this-building that meets international standards but a Local Authority that does not do its part.

On the 10,000 sq. feet, i can count for you at least 20 new buildings in upperhill, Westlands, Ngong road e.t.c which have the said space available for rent within the next few months as in buildings being constructed to be ready for occupation within a few months time.

The point Ndemo has raised are right but the culprit is not the developer, its the Ministry of Local Govt through City council of Nairobi that does not enforce these requirements on buildings. If it does, most developers will comply ASAP.
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mkeiyd
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:23:12 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@mkeiyd..it boils down to the regulations and by laws set by the Local Govt through Councils.

As a developer, it makes more sense to offer the basics only. The Govt then enforces the bylaws to ensure developers adhere to certain standards.

Thats why you will notice most buildings in CBD have a fire hydrant[pipe allowing water to be pushed from ground floor to the upper floors in case of fire] and sprinkler system.

This is because City Council enforces this requirement only in CBD buildings . If it enforces this requirement in the whole of Nairobi including Mombasa road sammeer ICT park including residential homes, they will install.

Also, landlords will install if a tenant requests for this since it makes business sense.

The recent fire in Kimathi House CBD is a perfect example to this-building that meets international standards but a Local Authority that does not do its part.

On the 10,000 sq. feet, i can count for you at least 20 new buildings in upperhill, Westlands, Ngong road e.t.c which have the said space available for rent within the next few months as in buildings being constructed to be ready for occupation within a few months time.

The point Ndemo has raised are right but the culprit is not the developer, its the Ministry of Local Govt through City council of Nairobi that does not enforce these requirements on buildings. If it does, most developers will comply ASAP.



Mention a few of those buildings [10,000 sq ft] and i will do the rest.
Thank you for the feedback.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:35:11 AM
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@mkeiyd..welcome...Feel free to call Ndungu on 0722662745. He has a list of over 20 such buildings around Nairobi.

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:47:48 AM
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Watching Ndemo and Kibati made me recall some arguments fronted here by @alma, @selah & @a4architect.

Both technocrats failed to sell Konza as an ICT project but instead made it appear like a real estate project just like the sceptics here were saying all along!
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