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Kibaki and Muthaura humiliated!!!
Magigi
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:29:00 PM
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... Kibaki's re-appointment of Ringera and his deputies has been termed unprocedural by parliament.this afternoon. Also the Head of Civil service decision to sack the MD of KEBS was quashed. I hope the fella will not get shocked/sick and have to go back to South Africa for treatment!!! I know Kibaki has quality shock absorbers...huo ni upumbavu tu...
And1589
#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:45:00 PM
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Magigi
#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:45:00 PM
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...i thought Ringera was smart enough to read the mood of the country and call it quits...
mwenza
#4 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:28:00 AM
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Am so excited to see the rule of law prevail in an emphatic fashion for the first time in a long time. Its high time the executive started to read the mood of its citizen. A president exists to serve his people and not just a small clique.

During the swearing-in ceremony for his first term in office,MK assured us that it will never be 'business as usual'. Sadly,a cursory look at the goings-on show that 'moism' will take time to end. Those of us from the old school still remember the days when Moi would spring some illogical surprises and we would all hail him as a political genius.

Those aspiring to be future presidents should know that the culture of 'mta-do?' will surely have to come to an end. At least we now know that the presidents word or action will not be final if not executed within the law.

Cant help to sympathize with 'kalooser' for thinking that anything that the executive does goes. If he continues with that dangerous mind-set,he should forget 2012. Kiunjuri could even be said to be wiser than him.

To all the Mpigs who voted against the bill......SHAME ON YOU!.

Am also offended to note that the sports minister voted against the bill......No wonder she cant challenge RAO on Hey as the national soccer team rapidly goes to the dogs.



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cleokip
#5 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:40:00 AM
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This time some mps are making us ordinary citizens so proud of them. Yesterday i was very sad to hear that Rutto and uhuru,two kenyans who have some hope to lead our country were plotting some selfish alliance to defeat Ringera move. This guys will have to pay a price for this,but for now guddos for other mps for telling off the president.

ck
Kamaa
#6 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:46:00 AM
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i presume the era of the 'big fish' is come to an end....

sorry,the big fish will now face the law just like the small ones....

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mtaalam
#7 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:55:00 AM
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Ati Kibs humiliated? Honestly do you think he's the kind of person to get humiliated by such things? He obviously expected something of this sort to happen after all he knows how unpopular Ringera is. If worse comes to worst he'll just ask Ringera to resign just like he did when the fire became too hot in the Kimunya,Murungaru,Kiraitu and Mwiraria issues.

But I think legally this will be a hard one for parliament because there's nothing they can pin Ringera on.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:05:00 AM
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@Mpenzi

Whats the legal position and what happens after this. I listened to the lawyers arguments on the floor of the house and got more confused. Either the lawyers dont know the law or our laws are not clear. Every lawyer seemed correct to me.


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uwanja
#9 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:11:00 AM
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This is great ... throw the ball back to Kibs then go on Holiday -i mean recess

Net Work Done..? to deal with real corruption in all this ???

All this noise because procedures followed / omitted .. why not seriously debate about Mandates,scope,etc ..what about giving KACC real 'teeth '

KACC is not Ringera

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Wendz
#10 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:19:00 AM
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@mtaalam

It is true the MPs or say parliament does not have powers to get Ringera out of the office even with their vote,Kibaki can not ignore their move. Even with all the powers,he can force Ringera down their throats but they can refuse to pass the KACC budget until the President does something. Now,how would KACC operate without a budget an the money can not be released from the Treasury unless they want to plunge us into deeper mess than 2007 if they force the budget down the MPs throats too. And that story by Beth Mugo that they have to support the president so they do not humiliate him? The only reason being - other countries think we are having elections next month or the other month bla bla..... it was so unconvincing...

My thinking is,Parliament can hold the budget as the bait to have what they want done. No wonder the motion to have the budget passed was postponed coz it was not going to go through for sure. Kibaki needs the parliament more than the parliament needs him. Remember,his own Ministers were also against his act. This is not the only issue he will need support from parliament.. he wont afford to burn bridges to have this go through. For once,the MPigs were HONORABLES yesterday!

But i could be wrong/misinformed and stand to be collected..

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Mpenzi
#11 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:23:00 AM
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@Noble

Legally of course,Parliament cannot nullify the appointment. All they did is express their displeasure with the appointment by stating that it was done unprocedurally. Remember Parliament has no authority to interpret laws or how they are implemented - that is mandate of the courts. Parliament's best hope would have been to starve the Commission of funds though of course doesnt solve the problem at hand - you dont kill an institution simply because you are unhappy with its head.

Your guess is a good as mine as to what happens from here. Politically it will only add to the confusion we have presently where we leave important decisions hanging.

The High Court is however likely to reach the same decision as Parliament in which case the court can quash the appointment - it has the power.

@Wendz
If I got it right,the intention of Parliament was not to refuse to pass the Appropriations Bill in its entirety - they only wanted to remove funds to be allocated to the Commission. They know the Appropriations Bill pays their salaries!
Mainat
#12 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:33:00 AM
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1stly,after Tuesday's Mau dung,it was good to see wabunge try to balance the accounts by voting against 'anvil'. But,I think the High Court decision is key.

I on't think General Kig. will respond straightaway however. The dude I'd like to see less off (i.e. fired),is Wako,which would then give the opportunity for an overhaul of the AG/KACC relationship.


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mwenza
#13 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:34:00 AM
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But why should MK wait for the courts interpretation on Ringera's appointment? Why cant he save face by just throwing Ringera into the nearest dust bin and call it good-riddance?


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Njunge
#14 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:39:00 AM
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@Wendz,
It was our Mpig who stood to make an amendment on the motion.......I thought this one would be different from Thirikwa and Kimondo.......Jinga kabisa.Come 2012 and i will campaign vigorously against the damn pig.....!!

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McReggae
#15 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:42:00 AM
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It's been long since I stood with parliament,yesterday I was with,that Ruto-Uhuru deal almost had me scared,this time round they did not have their way as they always want the case to be!!!


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Mpenzi
#16 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:44:00 AM
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@mwenza
what face does Kibaki have to lose? that man doesnt care a hoot and i doubt there is much anyone can do to humiliate him - maybe Lucy. the only thing that could make Kibaki move is for Parliament to move a motion of no-confidence in him - but they lose their fat salaries in the process.
wote
#17 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:45:00 AM
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@mpenzi,kind note that legally parliament can actually pass a vote nullifying the gazette notice appointing Rigera.

I do not think anybody has said that they are not happy with Ringera,you are missing the point here. The issue is to do with the way his appointment was done,the due process was not followed as specified in the act creating the K.A.C.C.

And yes you can kill an institution when it no longer serves the intention it was created in the first place and parliament has the powers to kill it.

The High court has no powers to quash the appointment of Ringera,it can only declare that the appointment was done unprocedurally/ appointment not according the law.


wote
jaribu
#18 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:46:00 AM
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humiliated? you're kidding me! kenya is just a banana republic where leaders have no sense of shame or manners to say even a simple sorry when they err. the mt kenya mafia should have read the mood on the ground instead of digging in for a fight but too bad they were blinded by arrogance and greed because they wanted one of their own to have that office despite his poor track record. as a matter of fact,this was never about ringera as such but mostly the manner of his appointment by the all powerful imperial executive. the parliament has done kenyans proud- for once. the office of KACC should be above suspicion and it's head should have the confidence of the nation,that's the only way to bust graft. it's pathetic that ringera has to be dragged out of office,kicking yelling and screaming instead of doing the honourable thing of bowing out. so far,his fate is sealed,he cant manouvre which ever way he tries to wiggle out. the parliament has held with a firm grip by the balls. it's good bye and good riddance to bad rubbish!

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Mpenzi
#19 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:50:00 AM
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@wote

you clearly have not heard of a remedy called mandamus - the court's power to quash and declare as null and void decisions by public officers!

and please quote for me the law that says parliament can quash decisions made by public officers - if it had the Kenyan parliament would have been quashing decisions daily. do not confuse the fact that parliament can debate and vote on an issue with a power to make a LEGAL and BINDING decision over the issue.

the decision by parliament is course right and has strength politically - the question is whether Kibaki really cares about being humiliated - unless of course it is Lucy doing the humiliation.

obviously parliament has power to repeal the statute under which KACA is created law - that is what they are paid to do - make and repeal laws.
Mr.Tea
#20 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:06:00 AM
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Its unfortunate that we view everything in terms of winning and losing......Never looking at the bigger picture which is the welfare of all Kenyans. Such attitudes at best create tension,and at worst strife. A closer examination will actually reveal a very asinine outcome. So Ringera is bumped off and we have another from a different race,community or even nationality.The institution fails again.A chorus emerges that so and so must go...and out they go.....Now you tell me who won?
What happened in parliament yesterday was nothing more than just another power game which keeps us riveted,hungry for more.And they know it.They will surely never fail us in that regard. Keep tuned for more,for there is definitely more stuff from where that came.....

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