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#201 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 12:10:15 PM
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hisah wrote:
I repeat this is one crowded corner. Perfect storm...!

Agreed. And the crowd is still rushing in. Banks are throwing in heavy bids here since the rate cap law came into being. That creates a strong correlation between sovereign solvency and health of the banking sector. If either one of them gets into trouble the other will swiftly follow.

If and when M-akiba gets fully operational the ultimate individual aka wanjiku crowd will be roped in.
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#202 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 12:31:30 PM
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hisah wrote:
I repeat this is one crowded corner. Perfect storm...!


What are the likely outcomes of such a storm?
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#203 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 1:46:58 PM
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Liv wrote:
hisah wrote:
I repeat this is one crowded corner. Perfect storm...!


What are the likely outcomes of such a storm?

Who will you sell your bonds to at a higher price if the crowd is all bid? How will you exit such a crowded room?

Money markets up, Equities down. Equities up, money markets down.

Equities will benefit.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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#204 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 4:14:15 PM
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hisah wrote:
Liv wrote:
hisah wrote:
I repeat this is one crowded corner. Perfect storm...!


What are the likely outcomes of such a storm?

Who will you sell your bonds to at a higher price if the crowd is all bid? How will you exit such a crowded room?

Money markets up, Equities down. Equities up, money markets down.

Equities will benefit.


5 year paper already rallying few offers, bids at 12.75, storm?
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#205 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 4:23:46 PM
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hisah wrote:
Liv wrote:
hisah wrote:
I repeat this is one crowded corner. Perfect storm...!


What are the likely outcomes of such a storm?

Who will you sell your bonds to at a higher price if the crowd is all bid? How will you exit such a crowded room?

Money markets up, Equities down. Equities up, money markets down.

Equities will benefit.

equities have been beaten for soooo long
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#206 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2016 4:02:31 PM
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Apparently Treasury did not consult CBK on the quarterly bond calendar...MLF is tomorrow and they will only come up with papers for this month.
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#207 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:40:22 PM
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IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.
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#208 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 8:10:28 PM
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maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?
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#209 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 8:58:01 PM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.
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#210 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 9:48:31 PM
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snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct
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#211 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 10:57:30 PM
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maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.
Portfolio: Sold
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#212 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 9:01:23 AM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.


Slight discount will be available...
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#213 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 9:26:41 AM
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12% won't attract dollar inflows.
currency will suffer
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#214 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:43:26 AM
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maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.


Slight discount will be available...


Please share the prospectus here.

Thanks.
Portfolio: Sold
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#215 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:59:39 AM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.


Slight discount will be available...


Please share the prospectus here.

Thanks.


When it's released....bado haijatoka
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#216 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 1:14:23 PM
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maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.


Slight discount will be available...


Please share the prospectus here.

Thanks.


When it's released....bado haijatoka


I have some maturing papers around 17-Oct, I hope this auction will be around end of the month!

Pray Pray Pray
Portfolio: Sold
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#217 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 3:14:57 PM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.


Slight discount will be available...


Please share the prospectus here.

Thanks.


When it's released....bado haijatoka


I have some maturing papers around 17-Oct, I hope this auction will be around end of the month!
I'm
Pray Pray Pray


You are very safe...
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#218 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 3:52:10 PM
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maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.


Slight discount will be available...


Please share the prospectus here.

Thanks.


When it's released....bado haijatoka


I have some maturing papers around 17-Oct, I hope this auction will be around end of the month!
I'm
Pray Pray Pray


You are very safe...


@maka if this happens it will be welcome. However it would be the 2nd IFB. If I remember correctly, there was another in May for 9 years.
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#219 Posted : Friday, October 07, 2016 1:42:57 PM
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snipermnoma wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.


Slight discount will be available...


Please share the prospectus here.

Thanks.


When it's released....bado haijatoka


I have some maturing papers around 17-Oct, I hope this auction will be around end of the month!
I'm
Pray Pray Pray


You are very safe...


@maka if this happens it will be welcome. However it would be the 2nd IFB. If I remember correctly, there was another in May for 9 years.


And I believe the May one was 13.5%.

@maka please share the prospectus asap and once u got it.

Portfolio: Sold
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#220 Posted : Sunday, October 09, 2016 7:19:33 PM
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Impunity wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
snipermnoma wrote:
Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
IFB 1.2016.15....@12% ...October issue.


By 2016/15 you mean ndiu ndate is 15th?


Have not seen the prospectus but the 1.2016.15 would mean it is the first IFB of 2016 and it is a 15 year tenor.

Correct

wish it was 15%...that's a contact income for 15 years.


Slight discount will be available...


Please share the prospectus here.

Thanks.


When it's released....bado haijatoka


I have some maturing papers around 17-Oct, I hope this auction will be around end of the month!
I'm
Pray Pray Pray


You are very safe...


@maka if this happens it will be welcome. However it would be the 2nd IFB. If I remember correctly, there was another in May for 9 years.


And I believe the May one was 13.5%.

@maka please share the prospectus asap and once u got it.




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