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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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Last week attack of Raphael Tuju in Kisumu while on campaign trail shows us how sycophancy in certain regions have derailed and killed democracy. Why is it difficult for other presidential aspirants to walk freely in areas considered Raila's stronghold. Rink, http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/luhn2tz/-/index.html
What if Raila was the president,how will his supporters behave. "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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Beware @Burning Spear... the sycophants may just as easily breed detest for the leader or fanaticism for his opponents.
Extreme sentiment either for or against are brothers of the same mother.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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They were simply fighting for their democratic rights. I do not understand why this simple fact seems to escape so many of us. Burning Spear wrote:Last week attack of Raphael Tuju in Kisumu while on campaign trail shows us how sycophancy in certain regions have derailed and killed democracy. Why is it difficult for other presidential aspirants to walk freely in areas considered Raila's stronghold. Rink, http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/luhn2tz/-/index.html
What if Raila was the president,how will his supporters behave. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Burning Spear wrote:Last week attack of Raphael Tuju in Kisumu while on campaign trail shows us how sycophancy in certain regions have derailed and killed democracy. Why is it difficult for other presidential aspirants to walk freely in areas considered Raila's stronghold. Rink, http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/luhn2tz/-/index.html
What if Raila was the president,how will his supporters behave. And who told you RAO asked anyone to throw stones? While at it do you have any evidence showing that RAO pays the hecklers and fanatics? As I can see, you are clearly a fanatic of the so called G7, do they pay you? NKT. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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Impunity wrote:Burning Spear wrote:Last week attack of Raphael Tuju in Kisumu while on campaign trail shows us how sycophancy in certain regions have derailed and killed democracy. Why is it difficult for other presidential aspirants to walk freely in areas considered Raila's stronghold. Rink, http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/luhn2tz/-/index.html
What if Raila was the president,how will his supporters behave. And who told you RAO asked anyone to throw stones? While at it do you have any evidence showing that RAO pays the hecklers and fanatics? As I can see, you are clearly a fanatic of the so called G7, do they pay you? NKT. and i knew sycophancy will unfold in the thread. I never meant RAO asked anyone to throw stones but I asked a very honest question that "why is it difficult for other presidential candidates campaining in areas considered Raila's stronghold" This does not mean the thugs were incited but sycophancy drives them to act in hooliganism. We has seen such ugly acts before. All what we are saying is that every presidential canditate is free to visit any area in this country. From Mandera to Liboi to Mombasa,to Kisumu,to Lodwar. "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/26/2009 Posts: 76
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If Raila was a good leader and he believes in democracy, he should have condemned the violence by now because it was done in his name. Silence means consent. just saying.........
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808
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There is no excuse for hooliganism but why do people obsess about RAO and see his hand every where? Give the man a break he can't be that omnipresent and I doubt he even gives a damn about Tuju's candidacy.
Even your bluntest tool in the shed can tell Tuju knew this was a strong possibility, the Luos on Kisumu streets are likely to see him as being a traitor politically/hired spoiler. He has no strong base or launchpad from where to launch any meaningful candidacy, so why would he bother, unless he is a hired gun. This is what is pissing people on the streets. They should arrest the stone throwers but hang on they never arrest Gor supporters so.....To prove it's pure a mwananchi affair send Martha, PK or even Uhuru to Kisumu to campaign and you will be surprised they will be very welcome.
Lets turn the coin how many times has Martha - a very credible candidate been stoned or heckled in her constituency ever since she announced her candidacy, how is that you guys don't bring a similar thread 'WHY I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR UHURU'. This is pure tribal chauvinism. I bet you chances are much higher Uhuru could be having a bigger hand in Martha's stoning than Raila has on Tuju. Everyone knows Jango's love stones and are fanatical on their causes, we have seen it at Gor games as well. Would one say RAO is the one who sends guys to throw missiles at Gor's games?
Kyuks are not know to hurl missiles but for some reason there are some at Gichugu....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 1,492 Location: Nairobi
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IDP wrote:If Raila was a good leader and he believes in democracy, he should have condemned the violence by now because it was done in his name. Silence means consent. just saying......... And who told u it was done in his name,the residents of kisumu who threw stones did it for their purposeNKT Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
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Rank: User Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 550 Location: Junction
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Impunity wrote:Burning Spear wrote:Last week attack of Raphael Tuju in Kisumu while on campaign trail shows us how sycophancy in certain regions have derailed and killed democracy. Why is it difficult for other presidential aspirants to walk freely in areas considered Raila's stronghold. Rink, http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/luhn2tz/-/index.html
What if Raila was the president,how will his supporters behave. And who told you RAO asked anyone to throw stones? While at it do you have any evidence showing that RAO pays the hecklers and fanatics? As I can see, you are clearly a fanatic of the so called G7, do they pay you? NKT. Who said or implied Rao sent the immature whistle hanging thugs to attack Tuju with stones? On the other hand, if Rao was a mature politician, he would have denounced the attack as that is where every Dic and Oti worships him. He has the task of educating his followers on accommodation of divergent views as they listen to him even when he tells them to uproot railway lines. But as usual, his vision is not clear and his agendas are egoistic. He should give up the evil ghost and save his so called people from ignorance and stumbling because the bible says, "But whoever shall cause one of these little ones (the blind followers of Agwambo) which believe on me to stumble, it is profitable for him that a great millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depth of the sea. Matt 18: 6 How comes Impunity and specific wazuans come out with daggars whenever Raila is mentioned or imagined? Does it mean he is an angel to your sight and never errs or what are you saying to the rest of Kenyans? Men, grow up. What if Raila was the president,how will his supporters behave. I thought we have already seen what kind of a president he would make. Corrupt, scatter brained, and one who turns against even his closest avowed leutenants, read managu managu, ruto, etc By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Ruto, Kalonzo and Karua have all been to kisumu in the recent past and were not stoned!!! ...the act of hooliganism dispayed must be condemned in the strongest words possible!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: User Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 550 Location: Junction
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McReggae wrote:Ruto, Kalonzo and Karua have all been to kisumu in the recent past and were not stoned!!!
...the act of hooliganism dispayed must be condemned in the strongest words possible!!!!! Thanks McReggae, we recognize sobriety when its evident. By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Rank: User Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 550 Location: Junction
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Here is a gud piece by Jerry Okungu Now that Raphael Tuju has joined the presidential race, could the fear of Raila presidency- Railaphobia be at play here? Are there other forces in the political class that may be planning to mollify the Luos by giving them their lifetime dream- the presidency as long as that person is not Raila Amolo Odinga? I hope Luos are listening. As far as its Raila they wish to see as president, no sane tribe will support them. However, it is an acceptable scenario if Luos present someone else, who is not a Raila maniac, we will support him. Get the idea? The problem is not the Luos, the problem is Raila. If he takes over power, we are likely to go to civil war sooner than later. He has so many politically enemies that they might fear him being president even for a day as his retaliation might be barbaric and at the expense of the country. He has repeatedly said he would not revenge but from experience, he is an eloquent liar who can lie for political expedience. That is what Kenyans fear. Kenyans do not fear the Luo community as such, but the fact that they seem to be parochial when it comes to backing just one eccentric leader when they have so many wise and trustworthy leaders. Applies in first paragraph http://africanewsonline....-of-tuju-that-other.htmlBy inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 281
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What don’t we just grow up for heavenly sake? If I am not interested in your politics the honourable thing to do is avoid your rally and go about my business as usual. It beats logic for one to go stone the politician NKT!!
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Rank: User Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 550 Location: Junction
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otienosmall wrote:What don’t we just grow up for heavenly sake? If I am not interested in your politics the honourable thing to do is avoid your rally and go about my business as usual. It beats logic for one to go stone the politician NKT!! Thanks Otienosmall. Finally, I can call you my brothers ones more. Sobriety is finally prevailing. Kenyans, lets see reality and deal with it as such. Am sorry if I offended someone previously. Please, straighten me up when I go off line. By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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Correction - Karua has never been stoned in Central. I may be wrong but you can provide a link if you have one. She has indeed been heckled but that happens even in the US, UK and is part of democratic engagement. Equating heckling with stoning is uhmmm...what's the word...I don' have the word actually. Even worse is justifying it as 'Tuju had it coming'. If that's the case, don't you think we all have a right to stone everybody we don't agree with? Stone the banks for higher interest rates, stone matatus for higher fares, stone petrol stations for higher fuel prices, stone the shopkeeper for selling milk at 5/- higher, stone the garbage man for coming 5 minutes late....etc. Stone age thinking. Kausha wrote:Even your bluntest tool in the shed can tell Tuju knew this was a strong possibility, the Luos on Kisumu streets are likely to see him as being a traitor politically/hired spoiler. He has no strong base or launchpad from where to launch any meaningful candidacy, so why would he bother, unless he is a hired gun. This is what is pissing people on the streets. They should arrest the stone throwers but hang on they never arrest Gor supporters so.....To prove it's pure a mwananchi affair send Martha, PK or even Uhuru to Kisumu to campaign and you will be surprised they will be very welcome.
Lets turn the coin how many times has Martha - a very credible candidate been stoned or heckled in her constituency ever since she announced her candidacy, how is that you guys don't bring a similar thread 'WHY I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR UHURU'. This is pure tribal chauvinism. I bet you chances are much higher Uhuru could be having a bigger hand in Martha's stoning than Raila has on Tuju. Everyone knows Jango's love stones and are fanatical on their causes, we have seen it at Gor games as well. Would one say RAO is the one who sends guys to throw missiles at Gor's games?
Kyuks are not know to hurl missiles but for some reason there are some at Gichugu.... All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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Its encouraging that sobriety is taking shape in this thread. Thanks @Kihangeri,@Otienosmall ,@Mcreggae,@innairobi and others for telling as it is. With such thinking,kenya and kenyans will move forward with respect for one another irrespective of different political opinions. Stoning someone(s)motorcade is such a barbaric act whether you believe in him or not and it should never happen again in this country. What started as stoning in 2007 lead to the infamous ugly PEV that left atleast 1,300 dead and thousands uprooted from their homes.Property worth millions was destroyed. "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Tuju should have began his back yard campaign huko rural Rarieda. PERIOD. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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Dear Kisumians (sp), It is time you realized that RAO is not the air you breathe. He will not add one more omena to your Ugali plate if he became president. It is also time you realized that everyone has a right campaign to be president if they want to. It's not just Raila. I will take time to remind you of an interesting news item I heard but which you may have overlooked. A while back I heard your beloved RAO bemoaning that your arrogance and exuberance was scaring away voters from other parts of Kenya. He badly wants to be voted for by the whole country but the rest of Kenyans fear that they will have no where to tread should Agwambo ever become president. In your zeal to 'help' and 'protect' your hero, you are really hurting his chances of being Kenya's 4th president. Finally, I still recall how you burned your town to ashes in 'protest' during the PEV. You soon realized your error when investors fled the town - some penniless - jobs became scarce, and someone had to organize investment conferences in order to attract even a simple hawker. You are prone to violence, and unless this changes, the perception of Osumo and its residents will continue to be very biased. I wish you well in your efforts to have RAO elected by Kenyans. Yours, Robin Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: User Joined: 8/6/2010 Posts: 594
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Raila is the best thing that ever happened to Kenya. He fought for democratic space in the country, fought dictotor Idi Moi and bought molasses plant to create employment. Gvie him his dues men.  "One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.
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