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NSSF vs 'pension products'
kiterunner
#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:28:52 AM
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I asked this on a wrong forum before, forgive me for repeating if you had seen it before .

I am 27 havent started to save for retirement. I would like to know which is better between NSSF and the pension plans offered by insurance companies. I d like to know which one has higher returns and which one is taxed less eventually.
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Layman
#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:44:53 AM
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Nssf is not a pension fund. for the current year, it pays 5% pa but this varies annualy as directed by the relevant minister. Any savings in NSSF can only be accessible when you retire from age 50 years. If you are employed the contributions are tax free. NSSF, I doubt if there's an option for retirement before age 50. I think that can only happen under medical conditions where the contributor becomes permanantly disabled and not able to work anymore otherwise you must wait till you are at least 50 years. Under insurance pension plans the contributions are also tax free if you are employed, you will pay the insurer management fees annually (or as prescribed in the contract), and you can "retire" and your own chosen time subject to the minimum years prescribed by the insurer running that pension plan. I think there are penalties and tax elements for "early Retirement" Insurance based Pension plans have higher returns usually averaging 8% and above per annum
kiterunner
#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:03:55 AM
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many thanks layman, are the pension/premiums paid after retirement taxed? if yes are the rates the same in insurance companies as NSSF? I am looking for an avenue to save progressively for after retirement ie to access in old age (theoretically after 60). One more question please can one use these savings as security to borrow?
Thank you
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Layman
#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:40:27 AM
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Both NSSF and insurance pension plans, Lumpsum benefits beyond certain limits are taxable am not sure how much but i guess any lumpsum beyond 480k is taxable. I dont have much details unless I gather other details and share with you later. On the loan, yes, you can use the savings in both NSSF and Pension plans to secure loans against mortgages and I mean mortgages only not any other kind of loan.
kiterunner
#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:44:10 AM
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Many thanks again Layman, I appreciate a lot your help.
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McReggae
#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:45:59 AM
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Have a peek at the KRA website for a view of the tax excemptions!!!
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mkonomtupu
#7 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:05:12 PM
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if NSSF pays 5% consistently applying the rule of 72 it would take 14 years to double my cash 72/5

with inflation at 8% applying the rule of 70 it would take 8.75 years for the value of the cash to halve 70/8

In short NSSF is just wasting my cash I will have nothing to look forward to in retirement I would rather go to the private pension run by insurance companies where the average rate of return is 9% it will take 8 years for the cash to double(72/9)

In future if you don't have a pension it will be so hard to survive so at 27 you should start saving for retirement don't procrastinate on this, the earlier the better. I started early and i now put in my capital gains from the NSE into the retirement fund
youcan'tstopusnow
#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:53:16 PM
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I know the title of the thread is NSSF vs pension plans offered by insurance, but have you considered 'Saving Through Stocks'?

And why are you planning to 'retire' at 60? Why not earlier? Set loftier goals
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kiterunner
#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:08:59 PM
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@McReggae I will have a look thanks
@mkonomtupu believe me I am not procrastinating on this one, I have been looking for a few months nowand I am ready to start. NSSF is not very forthcoming on the phone and there isnt much info on their website. For the pension products i read somewhere that at times they come with hidden charges so thats why I wanted from Wazuans. Seems the consensus so far is pension plan with an insurance firm, i ll talk toJubilee

@youcanttop... I have a kaportfolio of stocksfor speculation but it didnt occur to me to save my pension in stocks!!! Its too accessible and 33 years is a long time
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youcan'tstopusnow
#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:56:19 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
@McReggae I will have a look thanks
@mkonomtupu believe me I am not procrastinating on this one, I have been looking for a few months nowand I am ready to start. NSSF is not very forthcoming on the phone and there isnt much info on their website. For the pension products i read somewhere that at times they come with hidden charges so thats why I wanted from Wazuans. Seems the consensus so far is pension plan with an insurance firm, i ll talk toJubilee

@youcanttop... I have a kaportfolio of stocksfor speculation but it didnt occur to me to save my pension in stocks!!! Its too accessible and 33 years is a long time


...yes. A long time for stocks to massively outperform other instruments of generating money...
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kiterunner
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:06:00 PM
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True that but i am not very disciplined I would like it to be out of easy reach

I am looking through the Jubilee website, they dont give an interest rate. I am assuming whatever the interest is it will be compounded
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savant
#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:55:54 PM
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@kiterunner
Check out ICEA's and Alexander Forbes' individual pension plans. Both run very professionally.

http://www.icea.co.ke/fo...-retirement-scheme-prs/

http://www.aforbes.co.za/kenya/L-Vuni.htm


I wouldn't advise you to save for your pension using stocks, you're right, they're too easily accessible and you would have to essentially manage your own retirement scheme, not sure how wise a decision that would be. Diversification here is key.

Stocks are an excellent investment vehicle, but profits can be channeled towards other more immediate or medium term goals.

All the best.
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kiterunner
#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:27:34 AM
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@savant many thanks, I have learnt quite a bit going through them. Alexander Forbes seems very attractive. I will look around the other brochures for the 20 or so plans I have seen registered by RBA. If I have any more question I will get back to might wazua
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MugundaMan
#14 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:32:58 PM
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8 years later this is still a useful thread. Ahsanteni!
Wacha niwaulize. What about NSSF for self employed. I know they recently upgraded the rules so can someone update us on how it works. For example if MM has extra 100k idle cash lying around that he wants to squirrel into NSSF as a "last case resort" under the self-employed category incase God-forbid he loses his shirt and is destitute by age 50 (by the way was this age changed?), regardless of the paltry returns, will he get paid a lumpsum or malipo za pole pole. Thanks in advance nduguzanguni.
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