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Uchumi Supermarkets - Kirubi & Co Acquitted
Mpenzi
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:50:33 PM
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Kaigangio
#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:58:54 PM
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this was expected and is not coming as a surprise...our courts are only for the petty crimes...NKT!!!!!
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
VituVingiSana
#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 1:38:50 PM
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I wish this case was delayed until Willy Mutunga had been confirmed!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
The Merchant
#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 2:27:38 PM
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If you steal in Kenya. Steal big because then, we'll let you go free. Steal small and you'll pay for the rest of your life. Applies elsewhere in the world also, to be fair.
2012
#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:01:57 PM
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The Merchant wrote:
Applies elsewhere in the world also, to be fair.


Not always. Bernie Madoff got 150yrs, Enron and Martha Steward didn't get away with it but if they were Kenyans they'd be laughing all the way.... But Kenya is special, imagine the pyramid schemes masterminds are still kulaing maisha!

BBI will solve it
:)
The Merchant
#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:53:21 PM
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2012 wrote:
The Merchant wrote:
Applies elsewhere in the world also, to be fair.


Not always. Bernie Madoff got 150yrs, Enron and Martha Steward didn't get away with it but if they were Kenyans they'd be laughing all the way.... But Kenya is special, imagine the pyramid schemes masterminds are still kulaing maisha!

Granted. But stealing big in almost all intances buys you TIME and notoriety which buys you POWER which allows you to control people and to STEAL MORE then have more money to buy TIME , get it. This vicious cycle ends when the big THIEF gets comfortable and leaves a fews loopholes which end his robbery streak.
hisah
#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:53:32 PM
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2012 wrote:
The Merchant wrote:
Applies elsewhere in the world also, to be fair.


Not always. Bernie Madoff got 150yrs, Enron and Martha Steward didn't get away with it but if they were Kenyans they'd be laughing all the way.... But Kenya is special, imagine the pyramid schemes masterminds are still kulaing maisha!



Not so fast here @2012. It is no secret that the top 6 banks in the US engaged in the largest foreclosure fraud in US history and none of these banks' owners are behind bars.

Everywhere you look as @Merchant has stated above, the small fish gets cooked when the fraud floor comes apart...

And besides if we use Madoff as an example (a small guy compared to the Wallstreet banksters) to run such a scheme, some lunatics at SEC knew it and did nothing about it despite the numerous whistle-blower tip offs.

The brokers that went down in KE in 2007 & 2008 also had irregularity issues which the CMA knew about, but as usual came in too late to the rescue of the small investor. NSSF has lost a large chunks due to the Disco Security broker scam.

This also reminds me of the ponzi (pyramid) schemes that happened in 2007, CBK flagged them instead of shutting them down immediately...

All these just sound like a Jim Cramer moment...

http://www.youtube.com/w...lY8&feature=related

Wallstreet the other side (43 minutes long) -->

http://www.youtube.com/w...list=PLBAE411093275FC33
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
2012
#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:25:58 PM
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hisah wrote:
Not so fast here @2012. It is no secret that the top 6 banks in the US engaged in the largest foreclosure fraud in US history and none of these banks' owners are behind bars.


True but do you know of even one Kenyan convicted? Patni still walks around and I hear he's now a respected Kenyan elder who represents us in international circles. I can't wait for Gichuru and Okemo to be sent to prison!


Also don't forget that it is easier to convict the chicken thief in Kenya because he cannot afford a good representation or the correct lawyer (Did you see Uhuru's lawyers at the Hague? Hata Ocampo huwesi). I know of lawyers who are like Kenyan fundis, he's a carpenter but can fix your car too if you asked (hata hiyo sisi tunafanya)

BBI will solve it
:)
muganda
#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:35:05 PM
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Controversial, I admit, but I've always harboured the belief Chris Kirubi was a public lynch pin in Uchumi's demise.

Yes yes I know about his related business transaction claims, and Bottlers/Hacco being paid earlier than regular suppliers, and the CEO who was related...

But I believe it was easier to blame him than accept true story of harsh battleground at the time:
1. Expansion was necessitated by entry of competition
2. Uchumi always had healthy reserves making it senseless to borrow, at first glance anyway
3. He was always personally invested (shares, reputation) making him top of line in case of losses

4. When thinks became difficult, Kirubi made strong moves to source experienced foreign partner, which was unfortunately vetoed as it was said he'd benefit most
5. Kirubi was hounded out as Chairman a full 2 years before bankruptcy. It was open knowledge of hostile relations with board, who carried the day, for almost full year before his exit.

6. Can't forget the Staff who pilfered their employer to early demise.
7. Boy did you see how Sameer fleed the scene after getting preview of the murky waters


Okay okay, I'm not saying he does not bear ANY responsibility, just that he's given a whole lot more than he deserves - so thinks the court today at least.

The Board of Directors and CEO and staff at the time, take the bigger pie in my book. Weren't they paid from 2004-2006? Who pitched the 2005 rights issue? financial advisors, auditors... Culpable!


wote
#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:01:47 PM
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The judge in this case says that uchumi is not a parastatal and as such board members were not accountable to the public'' what a pile of 'KAKA'. In essence the judge is saying that its okay for the board to steal from pulic limited company. Look if this are the kind of judges we have in the country then Kenya is in deep trouble.
First and foremost there was no dispute as to who owns what in the company, otherwise it would have been a civil matter.The case centred on criminal act that was committed by the board. For the so called learned but corrupt judge's information. ICDC and KWAL are majority share holders who happen to be Government.
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