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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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The Kenyan banks have proven they can arm-twist the Governor and push him to a corner with sleuth techniques. The governors plan of bringing down lending rates seems to have hit a wall after a month characterised by a market manipulation which I suspect was carried by this banks. Now he has been forced to increase the interest rate even when we have two long term bonds in the market, to the benefits of the banks at the expense of the general economy. I think the governor is useless our market is so susceptible to manipulation and this is because CBK has weak monetary policies that do not stimulate the economy as they aught to. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/12/2010 Posts: 1,199 Location: Eastlander
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@selah.. inflation is,, in lay-man terms, defined as "too much cash chasing too few goods".. ..what do you propose as CBK's preferable method of mopping up excess liquidity in the market? ..and as a bytheway.. more than 90% of all bonds issued held by LOCAL INVESTORS are in the hands of banks.. this has been so all through 2009, 2010..and to date...check stats from cbk site or cma statistics ..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16 - 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 1,289 Location: Nairobi
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The banks dug in. CBK sent investigators to find out about the slide of the shilling against major currencies. Banks got their way. Interest rates are up. Lets face it, the thing that has been helping the value of our shilling is the high interest rates. High interest rates means less liquidity as bonds will be taken up and also means cheaper imports (cheaper dollar) which equals reduced inflation which is on everyones mind.
Could be a good thing provided government interest repayments are manageable.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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@Selah & ProverB, Others, what do you reckon will be the impact on the super bond trading profits that lots of banks made in 2010? ProverB wrote:@selah.. inflation is,, in lay-man terms, defined as "too much cash chasing too few goods".. ..what do you propose as CBK's preferable method of mopping up excess liquidity in the market? ..and as a bytheway.. more than 90% of all bonds issued held by LOCAL INVESTORS are in the hands of banks.. this has been so all through 2009, 2010..and to date...check stats from cbk site or cma statistics
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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The Governor has done his part by hiking the CBR in response to inflation. Please note that the CBR is an indicative tool & not an enforcement one. It happens that our banks are highly liquid & so don't depend much on CBK thus they respond to signals at their own pace. If our banks were liquidity strapped as it were abroad then the opposite would be true: Is it good or bad for our banks to be liquid is a question out there. Secondly, the meeting of the governor with the banks resulted in the immediate gains of Kes Vs. USD which to me enhances my confidence in CBK that they were right about the speculation & they knew exactly whom to talk to (banks) to stop it. On the otherhand i am so looking forward to KCB having made us a FORTUNE off forex trading & comissions! in the up-coming Q1 results!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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@proverB My arguments are when banks make most of their cash through bonds or investments in CBK instruments it beats the purpose of the banking industry.For the economy to grow we need policies that allow Banks to lower their lending rates so as to allow SME or local companies build capacity. What we are currently witnessing is when cbk lowers its interest rates there is usually a market manipulation that occurs forcing CBK to increase it rates. As you said inflation is caused by too much money chasing few goods,how will we have goods if all the money is with CBK and the little available is too costly. The other thing why would a bank charge me withdrawing charges of up to ksh.100 when in actual sense they are making more than 15% out of my savings. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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Just how much have banks borrowed through the CBR window this week? I'd think that's an example that the governor is more capable than most would think. The Nairobi Law Monthly for March 2011 has a great article on 'Kenya's lazy banking'. The author is a risk manager in a Saudi Arabian Bank. “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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@scubidu thanks for the article it sums up my argument.I didnt mean to say the governor was incompetent but he is powerless to control the exploitative nature of our banking system. here is the link to the article Lazy banking '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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So we go back on liberalisation?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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selah wrote:The Kenyan banks have proven they can arm-twist the Governor and push him to a corner with sleuth techniques.
The governors plan of bringing down lending rates seems to have hit a wall after a month characterised by a market manipulation which I suspect was carried by this banks.
Now he has been forced to increase the interest rate even when we have two long term bonds in the market, to the benefits of the banks at the expense of the general economy.
I think the governor is useless our market is so susceptible to manipulation and this is because CBK has weak monetary policies that do not stimulate the economy as they aught to. I do not agree with you. The CBR increase was due to increasing inflation which has been caused by increase in fuel, poor rains and weakening shilling other factor include siasa mbaya and increase of insurance rates for cargo ships landing here after our waters were declared a war zone. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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@selah. You're right. It's difficult to reign in the Kenyan banks; CBK needs autonomy from Treasury in order to immunize itself from manipulation. I remember the debate on whether the constitution would usher in other laws that would eventually see the Bank become more independent (though I didn't have high hopes). Did you see the change in stance though this week after CBK mopped up liquidity on 25th. Almost immediately interbank shot up 100bp; CBR has been seriously active this week. But if I recall banks said the biggest determinant of lending rates was cost of funding; i'd say those will definately rise now. “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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CBK are simply cleaning up the mess they created...how are banks to blame here? infact banks r victims in all this...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/1/2009 Posts: 2,436
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selah wrote:@proverB My arguments are when banks make most of their cash through bonds or investments in CBK instruments it beats the purpose of the banking industry.For the economy to grow we need policies that allow Banks to lower their lending rates so as to allow SME or local companies build capacity.
Bank's love investing in g-secs because they offer a safe, risk-free and less volatile route that is highly lucrative. I do,you do,so why not banks? Let's face it,lending in Kenya is made expensive partly by inefficiencies in national systems eg the judiciary (too long to hear & determine bank-defaulters cases), the land & company registries also have inherent weaknesses in registration of securities and some are outright centers of graft (remember the saga of PS dorothy angote unearthing files at Ardhi Hse?), etc. All these add to the Bank's costs of doing the lending business - legal, administrative, auctioneering, reposession, investigation fees, etc This is one reason why interest spreads between deposit and lending rates remain high (although they can be narrowed). But lending remains the bread and butter of banking globally and huge investments in g-secs locally must be revealed for what they are: lazy banking, not the core business of banks and bank management making huge investments in g-secs are not thinking beyond a 2-3 year profits of the bank (as opposed to sustainable, i.e such management plans with short term horizons in mind (very risky for long term investors). For such management their chickens will come to roost with a vengeancewhen their banks' top and bottom lines will be severely jolted by the volatility of rates. Still, our financial mandarins at Treasury/CBK clearly need to formulate policies that will result in narrower lending spreads - but this is wide and includes removing all the national inefficiencies affecting the lending process. The buck largely stops at the govt.feet.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:So do we go back on liberalisation?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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selah wrote:The Kenyan banks have proven they can arm-twist the Governor and push him to a corner with sleuth techniques.
The governors plan of bringing down lending rates seems to have hit a wall after a month characterised by a market manipulation which I suspect was carried by this banks.
Now he has been forced to increase the interest rate even when we have two long term bonds in the market, to the benefits of the banks at the expense of the general economy.
I think the governor is useless our market is so susceptible to manipulation and this is because CBK has weak monetary policies that do not stimulate the economy as they aught to. This position is based on hollow statements that cannot and are not supported by facts! What the the "sleuth techniques" you mention in para 1? How was the market manipulated as you state in para 2; and by whom specifically? Your position in para 3 has already been commented upon by another poster, but I reiterate: the CBR is INDICATIVE. It is not mandatory What are the "weak monetary policies" you are referring to in para4? Please give specifics. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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selah wrote:@scubidu thanks for the article it sums up my argument.I didnt mean to say the governor was incompetent but he is powerless to control the exploitative nature of our banking system. here is the link to the article Lazy banking A scan through this article reveals that it is making some unfounded allegations. E.g., that "some mid-tier banks like NIC, DTB and CFC nevertheless reported big increases in their non-interest income as a result of bond trading during the year, significantly boosting overall profitability." I have the audited accounts of NIC in front of me and here are relevant details: 2010 amounts in millions of sh (2009 figures in brackets) Interest earned from G-Secs: 470 (309) Other operating income: 638 (266) Total operating income: 5,268 (3,875) Now the amount coming from G-secs cannot be said to be a significant contribution to profitability... it is only 9% of total operating income. Keep in mind that there is no figure for "bond trading income" meaning it is probably lumped up with "Other operating income" Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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@mukiha I have quoted two articles from BD, one is written by the governor, to show you how these banks were able to arm twist CBK into raising the rate,although I agree some of the factors include raising commodity prices like oil but Currency speculation is among them. Quote:'In summary, the current movements on the exchange rate would appear to be an over-reaction and speculation mainly driven by expectations of future shortages due to oil price movements and the political turbulence in North Africa. Speculators, desirous of creating an artificial shortage, should note that the forex reserves far exceed the capacity of such speculation. These speculations on the US dollar have no basis. As has been pointed out, the economic fundamentals have not changed and remain healthy, hence the economy should ride out these temporary volatilities. Further, the CBK is contacting commercial banks’ treasurers to try and understand the source (s) of this panic and speculative behaviour in forex market.' http://www.businessdaily.../-/43nfhdz/-/index.html
Few days later CBK decided to intervene by increasing the CBR...who would benefit from such a move? Banks obviously. Quote: The tightening of liquidity is, however, expected to have a negative effect on access to credit for individuals and companies just when the market was settling for low interest rates. “We expect interest rates on loans to go up in the near term as banks take cue from the MPC move besides raising their risk assessments brought by uncertainties over outcomes from the next General election,” said Eric Musau, an analyst at African Alliance. “Banks are likely to become more risk-averse and may invest more in the government debt papers whose coupon rates are also rising,” he said. A slow down in lending could deny the economy new investments and threaten the projected domestic output target of over 5 per cent this year. http://www.businessdaily...-/14qd41jz/-/index.html '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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selah wrote:@proverB My arguments are when banks make most of their cash through bonds or investments in CBK instruments it beats the purpose of the banking industry.... . . . The other thing why would a bank charge me withdrawing charges of up to ksh.100 when in actual sense they are making more than 15% out of my savings. The first statement is a fallacy peddled by Kenyan media. As I have shown above, Bond income is less that 10% of the total income. That cannot be said to be "most of their income"! If your bank is charging you sh100 withdrawal fees, move to another bank. There are many that do not charge these fees, mine being one of them. Don't be a lazy customer! Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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@selah; Suppose you were the governor and you are faced with rising inflation and weakening local currency, what would you do? And how is the MPC's decision to raise the CBR wrong? Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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If I was the governor the first thing is ensure the govt has capacity in terms of reserves.which in this case the governor says it has the other thing is advise the govt to increase reserves for oil and grains.Instead of having a 3month oil reserve or is 1 month make it 6 months this will cushion the country from short term shocks brought by instability in oil producing countries and for the grain reserves in times of drought. By having such cushions its easier now to deal with speculators and market manipulation. In the meantime as this thread reads, the Governor is powerless in his fight To bring the lending rates down.so increase in CBR was the most logical step at this time. I have tried to get a bank that doest charge withdrawing charges.Fidelity bank had such an account but they changed after sometime.I would like to know where you Bank. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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