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seketes
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:32:45 PM
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Am shocked it's going down again.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:17:56 PM
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Dont be, this is kq you know. Its ironic, nowadays i feel happy when i goes down. Coz it always disappoints in the other direction. But you can always count on it going down. Im a buyer at 42.
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erifloss
#3 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:52:50 PM
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I think the rise in international fuel prices might be having an effect. And do these guys invest on futures fuel contracts by any chance...
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Ceinz
#4 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:45:47 PM
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In forex u can profit in both directions; up n down. But here guys, we stuck with no alternative but to wait for dir change. Alternatively if u can continue stocking at much lower prices.
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qw25041985
#5 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2011 9:14:24 PM
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i am happy it goin down again.missd out last time...Have FUNDAMENTALS changed ????? NO Are passenger numbers down ??? have they stopped their expansion ???? NO ...and it goin down ????? I so love this ....Before you say you hate it goin down or curse yourself for buying it. Do a thorough research on the co.
and thorough research doesn't mean coming to Wazua to read what every other Tom,Dick and Harry has to say !!Kapish ???? Kapish.
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VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:48:01 PM
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Naikuni was on Money Matters. [Where is @Horton?]

- 3.1mn passengers in 2010-11 & only 60,000 domestic!
- Another plane coming for domestic operations [meaning NBO-MBA-KSM] in 2011 so expect higher/better domestic pax
- Hedging will remain a cornerstone of KQ's strategy
- KQ cannot afford to pay cabin crew any more moolah [already very well paid]
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hisah
#7 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 12:49:48 AM
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KQ is still attractive, but this $100+ brent oil games are not too comfy either. I thought that it would take up to 2H to see $100 oil, but alas, in Jan & Feb we're there...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
youcan'tstopusnow
#8 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 7:26:59 AM
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hisah wrote:
KQ is still attractive, but this $100+ brent oil games are not too comfy either. I thought that it would take up to 2H to see $100 oil, but alas, in Jan & Feb we're there...

hisah, what do you think will be the effect of high oil prices on oil companies both in Kenya and abroad
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selah
#9 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 8:56:44 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Naikuni was on Money Matters. [Where is @Horton?]

- 3.1mn passengers in 2010-11 & only 60,000 domestic!
- Another plane coming for domestic operations [meaning NBO-MBA-KSM] in 2011 so expect higher/better domestic pax
- Hedging will remain a cornerstone of KQ's strategy
- KQ cannot afford to pay cabin crew any more moolah [already very well paid]


That interview was really boring this Naikuni guy was too cocky and proud he has changed over the years.saying things like am here to make money even if it means flying to your bedroom.

saying the price war is like a kitchen where if you cant handle the heat just jump over the window coupled with his constant look on the watch for a CEO who is so respected he could have handled the interview much better.
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qw25041985
#10 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 9:18:06 AM
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i agree w/ you @ selah . i think he was abit toooo proud on that interview.
and by the way i amnt tooo worried on the so called KQ dismantling coz where are the voulmes. when it fals by 2.00 or 3.00 w/ 500k volume where's the worry it might be a single investor bailing out w/ his/her profits...
Open your eyes guyz this is nothing BUT a bliss !!!
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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 1:48:54 PM
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@selah - I agree but there is also the element of editing by Money Matters.

As for the bedroom comment [maybe he should have said house] what he was saying was that KQ will fly where there is demand. Interesting fact is that Kenya needs more bilateral agreements [what is GoK doing???] coz then KQ can extend its reach into Africa.
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tony stark
#12 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 2:51:48 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@selah - I agree but there is also the element of editing by Money Matters.

As for the bedroom comment [maybe he should have said house] what he was saying was that KQ will fly where there is demand. Interesting fact is that Kenya needs more bilateral agreements [what is GoK doing???] coz then KQ can extend its reach into Africa.


I watch money matters due to lack of proper business programs in Kenya. I dont mind the fact that naikuni came out cocky but what i hated was madowo interviewing skills. He asks a question then asks another before the previous one is answered and he never goes back to the unanswered questions.
Infact all of madowo interviews are lackluster. He needs focus, need to get to the core of an issue and ask tough questions. Last weeks interview with rene he escorted meza without asking him any tough questions!

Back to KQ. Naikuni did excellent in that interview. I am even going to look into KQ which i had totally ignored because my main source of info on anything KQ was VVS. That will soon change.
VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 3:26:11 PM
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tony stark wrote:
I am even going to look into KQ which i had totally ignored because my main source of info on anything KQ was VVS. That will soon change.
Don't know if I should buy you a beer or come kick your arse! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! [A backhanded compliment if there was ever one...]

I like KQ on its fundamentals...

- Yes, high oil prices are NOT good for KQ but mitigated by hedges
- Yes, there are labor problems but KQ showed balls by hiring new recruits last year. They are also training more at the Pride Center to meet demand
- Yes, there are issues with customer service but no worse than most mid-tier airlines. Not an excuse but they are revamping their IT systems for better service/delivery.
- Yes, there is severe competition but KQ is fighting back like fare cuts on NBO-MBA.
- Yes, there are aircraft shortages [delayed 787s] but KQ has chose Embraers for the short-haul routes while using 737-800s + 767s for long-haul.
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milken
#14 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 3:33:44 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
KQ is still attractive, but this $100+ brent oil games are not too comfy either. I thought that it would take up to 2H to see $100 oil, but alas, in Jan & Feb we're there...

hisah, what do you think will be the effect of high oil prices on oil companies both in Kenya and abroad


OK You didn't ask me by here is my two cents.

Rising prices are normally a boon to the industry since the current stock will always be cheaper than the prevailing international prices. Consequently, oil companies increase the prices immediately to reflect the increasing replacement cost and make higher profits. This will cushion the company when the prices are falling as one has to liquidate the old stocks immediately or burn.

While ERC reviews local prices on 15th of the following month using international monthly average price, most oil companies by on a formula around the BL date (usually 2-BL-2. This will create a very big challenge for marketers trying to match the buying price (based on a particular date) with the statutory price )based on a whole month average).

Either ERC reviews their pricing mechanism or else things will be very thick

Meanwhile after ERC realising that oil marketers were making supernormal profits in Kerosene rumors are rife that ERC want to tweak the pricing and wipe out that margin. Let us wait till 15th for further clarity.
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selah
#15 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 3:34:40 PM
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@tony I observed that he(larry) is too careful with his interviews it is as if he fears to upset the interviewees and sometimes asks questions we already know the answer or leading questions like 'airtel has launched a price war into the market with its low tarrifs do we expect more of this.....'
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VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 3:38:48 PM
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milken wrote:
While ERC reviews local prices on 15th of the following month using international monthly average price, most oil companies by on a formula around the BL date (usually 2-BL-2. This will create a very big challenge for marketers trying to match the buying price (based on a particular date) with the statutory price )based on a whole month average).

Either ERC reviews their pricing mechanism or else things will be very thick

Meanwhile after ERC realising that oil marketers were making supernormal profits in Kerosene rumors are rife that ERC want to tweak the pricing and wipe out that margin. Let us wait till 15th for further clarity.
What is BL as in 'BL date'?

Also ERC would be idiotic to assume/use whole month average in such a volatile atmosphere since many OMCs would not be interested in importing fuel to sell at a loss! ERC needs to update prices every 2 weeks [per OTS shipment] or tweak the formula to allow more leeway to OMCs...
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milken
#17 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 3:47:11 PM
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BL is Bill of Lading. Refined petroleum products price is based on the average of the mean of the quotations for that product as published In Platts Market Scan.
The price used is normally the average of the two days before BL date, the BL date and two days after the BL Date (hence 2-BL-2).
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VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 4:15:12 PM
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@milken -
How can OMCs benefit from the situation?
What if OTS price is higher than what is calculated/assumed/used under the formula?
Can firms like KK decide NOT to sell fuel imported via OTS into the market [if they store it in their facilities]?
Are firm obligated to release PRIVATE IMPORTS [held outside of KPC] into the Kenya market?
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milken
#19 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 5:05:59 PM
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@VituVingiSana

How an OMC benefit from the situation is the black art that separates the losers from the winners and owing to the nature of my job I can not touch that.
ERC price should theoritically be equal to the OTC price since it is based on monthly average but most companies will have a different mix as opposed to last month's product for a number of reasons.
1. private imports due to Ullage, lack of liquid cash e.t.c)..
2. Selling a different mix e.g newer or older product.
3. Ratio of refined import to ex crude product being different from the one ERC uses

No company in Kenya has enough storage for two weeks sales hence storing product in ownfacility is not feasible

As a matter of fact you can not release product in your depot to KPC system (KPC insist that that product is contaminated), having shortages in your sites will ruin customer confindence and is not sustainable in the lond run.

IMHO rising pricing only benefits companies in upstream



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VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Friday, February 04, 2011 5:19:42 PM
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Call me @VVS

milken wrote:
@VituVingiSana

ERC price should theoritically be equal to the OTC price since it is based on monthly average but most companies will have a different mix as opposed to last month's product for a number of reasons.

Regardless of the mix they have, the OTS should be the benchmark. As for imports that are 'expensive' I assume OMCs will not import unless profitable. Question: What if ERC prices BELOW the OTS price? Can OMCs sue?


1. private imports due to Ullage, lack of liquid cash e.t.c)

Why did GoK allow for Private Imports? Prior, and in conjunction with Price Caps, all imports for Kenya had to be under OTS

2. Selling a different mix e.g newer or older product.

That is a OMC specific issue. Under normal circumstances the carry-over from OTS should be minimal since Kenya's consumption is higher or equal to OTS imports

3. Ratio of refined import to ex crude product being different from the one ERC uses
Again company/OMC specific BUT shouldn't ex-crude % = refined imports % under OTS?

No company in Kenya has enough storage for two weeks sales hence storing product in own facility is not feasible A pity coz we will be screwed if oil imports are curtailed due to a war in the Middle East. BTW, how did KK survive 1 month or more without OTS imports? Or were they allowed OTS but not Crude refining? Or after they were kicked out of OTS?

As a matter of fact you can not release product in your depot to KPC system (KPC insist that that product is contaminated), having shortages in your sites will ruin customer confindence and is not sustainable in the lond run.

I can understand the reluctance by KPC to get 'other' products into their system though I believe contamination can occur at off-loading from ships or even KPRL tanks ot KOSF

IMHO rising pricing only benefits companies in upstream

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