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PRIVATE PLACEMENT - CARBON TRADING FIRM.
The Merchant
#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:34:57 PM
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Carbon trading is supposed to be the next big thing. Maybe money does really grow on trees. The above mentioned company is doing a private placement at eur4 per share, min. investment is eur 5000. The projected time to list is one year and the IPO price will be EUR6 per share.
This information comes to me straight from the land of the white slopes, Switzerland. Any thoughts my wise friends? smile
dave.kim
#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:52:53 PM
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please expound on what carbon credits and trading is.i have been seeing it all over the news but i dont really understand how it works
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Scooby
#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:02:34 PM
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Dave.kim,

Let me try to clarify this for you...

Carbon trading arose from the "realisation" that our human actions are contributing to the disruption of the weather pattern.The casing point is the severe drought we had in Kenya or the current arctic freeze in Europe.

Hence, the first thing that they have been working on is to have a global framework on how to control our emissions. This started with the Kyoto Protocol, which wasn't signed by some countries like USA, India and China. Hence, there was a push for a revised one to be adopted in Copenhagen last year or Mexico this year.

Once adopted, the revised agreement will "define" a limit on the maximum emissions for each country. The limits will be reduced over time...to encourage greater efforts to refuce the emissions.

The agreement notes that there will be companies, countries and/or regions that will always exceed the limit and others which will not. Hence, there is a market exchange mechanism where the over emitters can buy excess credits from the ones that do not.

This would now explain what The Merchant is taking about and the recent articles in the press about KPLC, KenGen and Mumias earning funds for their carbon credits.

One last thing to note. As part of the exchange market, there is a body (I think it's part of the UN) that had to certify that the three companies did indeed have excess credits.

Regards
manuPK
#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:25:29 PM
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@The Merchant

Maybe you can expound more on the details...
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The Merchant
#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:24:36 AM
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Very well put by scooby. Now the firm im talking about has projects in south america, indonesia even Kenya where they do aforestation and reaforestation projects and actively sell these carbon credits so gained. It is their main revenue and when you buy into this company your expectations should be based on this. I will furnish you gentlemen with the finacial statement of this firm once I have it. The only trouble now is that I am getting this information through an asset management firm. Ill keep you all posted. Thank you.
drake
#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 12:24:03 PM
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Scooby wrote:
Dave.kim,

Let me try to clarify this for you...

Carbon trading arose from the "realisation" that our human actions are contributing to the disruption of the weather pattern.The casing point is the severe drought we had in Kenya or the current arctic freeze in Europe.

Hence, the first thing that they have been working on is to have a global framework on how to control our emissions. This started with the Kyoto Protocol, which wasn't signed by some countries like USA, India and China. Hence, there was a push for a revised one to be adopted in
Copenhagen last year or Mexico this year.

Once adopted, the revised agreement will "define" a limit on the maximum emissions for each country. The limits will be reduced over time...to encourage greater efforts to refuce the emissions.

The agreement notes that there will be companies, countries and/or regions that will always exceed the limit and others which will not. Hence, there is a market exchange mechanism where the over emitters can buy excess credits from the ones that do not.

This would now explain what The Merchant is taking about and the recent articles in the press about KPLC, KenGen and Mumias earning funds for their carbon credits.

One last thing to note. As part of the exchange market, there is a body (I think it's part of the UN) that had to certify that the three companies did indeed have excess credits.

Regards


@ Scooby,

An addendum,

I think the UN body you're referring to is the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change via the United Nations CDM Executive Board.

Here is a Project Cycle diagram explaining their role in the entire process...

Locally, JPMorgan run shit for their RED(project origination) right out of Eden Square along Chiromo Road ....it would seem they haven't seen much action re: local deal flow. I could be wrong....

“...Lots of companies are sitting on huge carbon assets,” says [redacted], the vice president of the local office of JP Morgan Climate Care. “People are aware, but the proposals they present are poorly done,” he said .... = Opportunity....

@ The Merchant

Guy, ... at least give us the name of the company

Layman
#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:01:34 PM
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so what is carbon credit...
selah
#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 2:12:31 PM
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Layman wrote:
so what is carbon credit...


Check Wikipedia for more information.

IMHO this carbon trading business is just a PR exercise that will not amount to anything, the reason being ,some industries will be at a disadvantage. Take for instance KPLC and Kengen all I know KPLC is involved in the transmission and distribution of Electricity so its emmision level cannot be equal to that of Kengen or Mumias for that matter.

Therefore I dont think countries like china or India will want to pay developing countries for their carbon credits.
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Scooby
#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:49:36 PM
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Selah,

As you noted, its all depends on the person you are asking as to whether the carbon trading initiative makes sense or not.

For instance, in South America (read Brazil and Argentina), they are stating that the rearing of cows for meat is doing more harm in polluting the environment compared to a normal factory! So there have been suggestions that we should all move alway from meat into a vegan diet...remember the lady who wore spinach on the junction of Kimathi Street and Kenyatta Avenue.

What surprised me about China and India with the Copenhagen meeting last year is that they are more enthusiastic about this initiative than other countries especially the USA. Infact, China is already taking steps to reduce its reliance of coal in generating electricity - with or without the agreement.

Regards
The Merchant
#10 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:21:38 AM
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@drake. The name of the company is GLOBAL GREEN CARBON. If you google that up, you will find the website. Please revert.
selah
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 3:39:52 PM
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Scooby wrote:


What surprised me about China and India with the Copenhagen meeting last year is that they are more enthusiastic about this initiative than other countries especially the USA. Infact, China is already taking steps to reduce its reliance of coal in generating electricity - with or without the agreement.


The reason why they are supportive is because the initiative makes those countries which pollute the environment buy credits from countries which dont this system is skewed in that it makes the world powers continue polluting since developing countries which do not hav the industrial capacity will be fooled by the money envisaged by this program but in reality the program will favor the developed world.

I think the best way to curb this pollution problem is to come up with a good tax cap across the globe.
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KulaRaha
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 3:45:11 PM
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Why sell shares at EUR4 when you can get EUR6 a year?

Thats EUR2 more, or 50% increase.

Sounds like a scam.
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The Merchant
#13 Posted : Friday, December 24, 2010 9:44:06 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Why sell shares at EUR4 when you can get EUR6 a year?

Thats EUR2 more, or 50% increase.

Sounds like a scam.

Well, possibly but you can also wait a few months and get them at eur 5 if you miss the first batch. There is a big sector out there dealing in private placements. I cannot guarantee that its not a con thats why I have tabled this matter to you able minds. What is important in my opinion is that this company can have sustainable profits and growth in the future.Trading carbon credits is what they do and its the only reason Ive mentioned it.
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