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Portfolio Balancing: Avoid Over Exposure To Financial Sector
githundi
#21 Posted : Monday, January 10, 2011 12:31:58 AM
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Agreed on high risks involved. Banks books are easily manipulated especially as noted on unsecured loans by either 1. underestimating bad debts, 2. Extreme cost mgt on tough times and finally making profits from unclaimed balances, or how else will you explain profit growth when there reduction, little or no growth in revenue?, or how many times have banks issued profit warnings or declared losses, unless there are parastatals?. Sadly, some banks are even put under receivership before previously declaring losses. The day law will be made on surrender of unclaimed balances to gok or it's agent, Will come with significant reduction on banks profits. A case in point was like bbk last year, where a reduction of bad debts of 500m against all logic of increasing loan book, was more than increased profit year on year, enabling it to report profit and cover what was actually a bad year for barclays.
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the deal
#22 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:43:14 AM
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smile smile smile let the banks continue to drop its lovely to buy Equity at PE of 10-13 than 21.
young
#23 Posted : Monday, December 05, 2011 1:06:24 AM
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young wrote:
If you do not take long positions in a stock that is you only speculate, then this thread is not for you.

For long term investors especially in sub saharan African markets, has it ever crossed your mind that your choices of most of your stocks are skewed towards the Finance sector ?

The reasons are obvious :=

They are the most profitable sectors
They are the most liquid sectors.

But be awasre that your greatest risk is in this sector because :-
Your exposure to risk is far more than other sector namely :-
1 High risk Of non performing loans
2 Wrong disclosure of balance sheet entries, auditors are only exposed to what the banks want them to see

3 The spiral effect on other banks because of interbank setlement which if consistently defaulted by a few distressed banks can affect the books of other banks.

The insurance firms are not spared either as they invest heavily on bank stocks.

What ever the returns my take is that you should not expose your porfolio more than 40% of your holdings on finance sector as a leverage.

The industrials seem to be more stable and consistent during turbulence, but their returns may not be as salutable as banking counters.

If majority of your counters is in banking or finance stocks my candid advise is that you need to rethink and re-balance your porfolio.
The banking sector is an ill wind that has already blown in US, Europe. In Africa, Nigeria investors learnt the hard lesson, for those whose portfolio were over exposed to banking stocks, it can happen to any other market.

I know of some investors that do not invest in Banking stocks at all due to obvious reasons above.
Even in Banking you have to split your portfolio between the agressive banks and the value banks.

Your aggressive bank I can pin point are:-
(i) KCB
(ii) Equity
(iii)COOP
(iv) HFC
(V)NIC
(Vi) DTB etc

For the consevative banks I can pin point

(i) Stan Chart
(ii) Barclays

During bullish run aggressive banks take the lead, but during bear run, the conservative banks are more reliable.
I suggest out of your 40% allocation to finance sector, give 40% of it to agressive bankS, 50% to conservatives and 10% to the insurence compnies. With this you will have 60$ of your portfolio spread ON the industrial and other sectors.
Simply put it is not very balanced or not so ideal to be too exposed to financial sector no matter how attractive it is as on the longer term you may tend to loose more.

So check your portfolio and see how exposed you are to the finacial sector ?. Is it not worthwhile to re-balance your portfolio ? The decision is yours.

Happy investing

The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
young
#24 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:28:50 AM
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young wrote:
@sheep permit me to chip in here, in terms of recovery after general economic melt down like what happened in 2008, blue chips industrials always out peform blue chip financial not only in NSE but in other markets.
Lets take a look at a few blue chips on both sectors :-


FINANCIALS
High of KCB in 2008 was 32.5 bob
High of BBK was 98 Bob

Now KCB is 22 bob plus
BBK is now 56+ bob
Replace KCB with equity that was 300 (Pre split) in 2008
the story is the same, it is yet to attain 30!

None of them has recovered to that high

INDUSTRIALS

The High of EABL in 2008 was 194 bob
The high of ARM in 2008 was 137 bob

Now EABL is 200+, ARM is 170+

Both have a gone above the highs of 2008


If you invest in other markets like Ghana, Botswana, RSA, Hong Kong or US etc the story is the same.


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#25 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:49:14 AM
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I have searched high and low for this thread. It is the one that motivated me to clear my financials decks, SCB @ 270, NIC @ 44 - 52, KCB @ 24 over the the period. When I look back, it was an inspired decision.
young
#26 Posted : Friday, July 20, 2012 6:04:05 PM
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This is a likely event that will happen in Kenyan market.
Banking sector are gradually over stating their profits to outshine each other and thereafter
raising funds by rights issue to "EXPAND REGIONALLY OR BEEF UP THEIR WORKING CAPITAL"
Citi group a wrong umpire for now blew the whistle, this issue has
been watered down by the big banks , it will re-sufface in future, likely after the post election boom.
It has been discussed in our noble Wazua forum and brushed aside.

http://mobile.businessda...l/-/fkkrji/-/index.html



Regards
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
sparkly
#27 Posted : Friday, July 20, 2012 8:56:00 PM
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young wrote:
This is a likely event that will happen in Kenyan market.
Banking sector are gradually over stating their profits to outshine each other and thereafter
raising funds by rights issue to "EXPAND REGIONALLY OR BEEF UP THEIR WORKING CAPITAL"
Citi group a wrong umpire for now blew the whistle, this issue has
been watered down by the big banks , it will re-sufface in future, likely after the post election boom.
It has been discussed in our noble Wazua forum and brushed aside.

http://mobile.businessda...l/-/fkkrji/-/index.html



Regards


Messr @young our banks are invincible!
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Aguytrying
#28 Posted : Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:43:41 PM
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@young. I strongly appreciate your wise counsel. What said was true and continues to be true.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mwekez@ji
#29 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 9:41:01 AM
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sparkly wrote:
young wrote:
This is a likely event that will happen in Kenyan market.
Banking sector are gradually over stating their profits to outshine each other and thereafter
raising funds by rights issue to "EXPAND REGIONALLY OR BEEF UP THEIR WORKING CAPITAL"
Citi group a wrong umpire for now blew the whistle, this issue has
been watered down by the big banks , it will re-sufface in future, likely after the post election boom.
It has been discussed in our noble Wazua forum and brushed aside.

http://mobile.businessdailyafri...ml/-/fkkrji/-/index.html

Regards


Messr @young our banks are invincible!


@sparkly, Realy?!? What makes them unshakeable???

My take, its good to avoid overexposure to one given sector. I believe no sector is invincible!
young
#30 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 4:27:20 PM
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A reminder
The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Aguytrying
#31 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 9:53:24 PM
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young wrote:
A reminder


thanks. over the last 3 or so months ive noticed only banks and insurance look attractive. a good reminder here.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Cde Monomotapa
#32 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 10:56:16 PM
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How about a Power, Civil Engineering & Transport Infrastructure-combo as in Trans Century, TCL for diversification?

The transport arm (RVR) looks set to surprise to the upside soon ->Revamped Tororo-Gulu-Pakwach railway line to boost trade with South Sudan http://www.theceomagazin...e-with-south-sudan.html <>

http://citadelcapital.co...-two-decades-of-disuse/

A little glimpse of 'how things could be' at RVR from SA: Transnet steams ahead with 71% jump in profit | Fin24 http://www.fin24.com/Com...-jump-in-profit-20131024
Cde Monomotapa
#33 Posted : Tuesday, November 05, 2013 5:58:15 PM
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[quote=Cde Monomotapa]How about a Power, Civil Engineering & Transport Infrastructure-combo as in Trans Century, TCL for diversification?

The transport arm (RVR) looks set to surprise to the upside soon ->Revamped Tororo-Gulu-Pakwach railway line to boost trade with South Sudan http://www.theceomagazin...e-with-south-sudan.html <>

http://citadelcapital.co...-two-decades-of-disuse/

A little glimpse of 'how things could be' at RVR from SA: Transnet steams ahead with 71% jump in profit | Fin24 http://www.fin24.com/Com...jump-in-profit-20131024[/quote]

Rift Valley Railways (RVR) has purchased 20 locomotives at a cost of Sh357 million under an expansion programme to double its locomotive and wagon fleet by June next year. http://www.capitalfm.co....7mn-for-new-locomotives/
PKoli
#34 Posted : Tuesday, November 05, 2013 7:55:50 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
I have searched high and low for this thread. It is the one that motivated me to clear my financials decks, SCB @ 270, NIC @ 44 - 52, KCB @ 24 over the the period. When I look back, it was an inspired decision.


GG,

I hope where you took the funds has given you better returns than what you would have received from the above banks. Kcb alone has retuned 100%
obiero
#35 Posted : Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:27:44 AM
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already scaling down, come results announcements in 2014, I shall be ought of KENYAN financials 100%

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
obiero
#36 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:34:49 PM
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another spanner hits the works www.businessdailyafrica....4/-/yqhxj2z/-/index.html

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
guru267
#37 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:49:50 PM
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obiero wrote:


I thought this would actually be great for shareholders as their wage bill is controlled...

It may also lead to increased dividends as directors use their shares to pay themselves...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
obiero
#38 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:42:11 PM
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guru267 wrote:
obiero wrote:


I thought this would actually be great for shareholders as their wage bill is controlled...

It may also lead to increased dividends as directors use their shares to pay themselves...

What you are saying is not pure nonsense. However, a greater impact will be felt on the NPLs. The extreme underprovisioning by some of the big five will now have to be revisited with a fine comb

HF 428,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 15,750 ABP 6.45
young
#39 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:54:25 PM
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obiero wrote:
guru267 wrote:
obiero wrote:


I thought this would actually be great for shareholders as their wage bill is controlled...

It may also lead to increased dividends as directors use their shares to pay themselves...

What you are saying is not pure nonsense. However, a greater impact will be felt on the NPLs. The extreme underprovisioning by some of the big five will now have to be revisited with a fine comb


@Chief Obiero, avoid personal attack on
@chief Guru, just pass the message it is up
to wazuans to agree or disagree, expend
your energy on facts
AND
@Chief Guru, avoid personal attack on @chief
Obiero , just pass the massage it is up
to wazuans to agree or disagree, expend your
energy on facts

Let us take a cue from @Hisah the great

The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
Cde Monomotapa
#40 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:54:31 PM
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obiero wrote:
guru267 wrote:
obiero wrote:


I thought this would actually be great for shareholders as their wage bill is controlled...

It may also lead to increased dividends as directors use their shares to pay themselves...

What you are saying is not pure nonsense. However, a greater impact will be felt on the NPLs. The extreme underprovisioning by some of the big five will now have to be revisited with a fine comb


Please help us understand the linkage btwn regulating executive pay & NPLs. It's been a long day for most of us. Thanks.
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