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obiero
#9501 Posted : Monday, January 29, 2018 2:19:19 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
9500 Posts. KQ is special!

What about the views. Truly special. The Pride of Africa

KQ ABP 4.26
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VituVingiSana
#9502 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:02:26 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Pesa Nane wrote:
9500 Posts. KQ is special!

One post per KES 10,000,000 of losses!

[The value of KQ has decreased by KES 90bn since 2012. This includes the "P&L losses" as well as balance sheet losses.

KQ owned land at historic cost in 2012 that was revalued and sold. These profits/gains were used to reduce P&L losses. The same with the LHR slots.]

The (real) NAV value of KQ in 2011-12 was much higher than Market Capitalization but today it's the opposite.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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obiero
#9503 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:03:58 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,215
Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
9500 Posts. KQ is special!

One post per KES 10,000,000 of losses!

[The value of KQ has decreased by KES 90bn since 2012. This includes the "P&L losses" as well as balance sheet losses.

KQ owned land at historic cost in 2012 that was revalued and sold. These profits/gains were used to reduce P&L losses. The same with the LHR slots.]

The (real) NAV value of KQ in 2011-12 was much higher than Market Capitalization but today it's the opposite.

There's no progress without effort.. KQ is back from the brink of death

KQ ABP 4.26
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VituVingiSana
#9504 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:48:56 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
9500 Posts. KQ is special!

One post per KES 10,000,000 of losses!

[The value of KQ has decreased by KES 90bn since 2012. This includes the "P&L losses" as well as balance sheet losses.

KQ owned land at historic cost in 2012 that was revalued and sold. These profits/gains were used to reduce P&L losses. The same with the LHR slots.]

The (real) NAV value of KQ in 2011-12 was much higher than Market Capitalization but today it's the opposite.

There's no progress without effort.. KQ is back from the brink of death

The best route for KQ would have been to transfer viable assets from the Old KQ to the New KQ under a restructuring process. The staff should have been asked to re-apply with the New KQ [sans the liabilities].

While the creditors pummeled and negotiated with the Old KQ, the New KQ could have taken off without the need for lengthy and convoluted negotiations. The New KQ could have listed and looked for strategic partners.

It's a model that should be used to revive (or bury) many parastatals (or entities in which GoK has significant influence) including Mumias.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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obiero
#9505 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:59:16 AM
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Posts: 14,215
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
9500 Posts. KQ is special!

One post per KES 10,000,000 of losses!

[The value of KQ has decreased by KES 90bn since 2012. This includes the "P&L losses" as well as balance sheet losses.

KQ owned land at historic cost in 2012 that was revalued and sold. These profits/gains were used to reduce P&L losses. The same with the LHR slots.]

The (real) NAV value of KQ in 2011-12 was much higher than Market Capitalization but today it's the opposite.

There's no progress without effort.. KQ is back from the brink of death

The best route for KQ would have been to transfer viable assets from the Old KQ to the New KQ under a restructuring process. The staff should have been asked to re-apply with the New KQ [sans the liabilities].

While the creditors pummeled and negotiated with the Old KQ, the New KQ could have taken off without the need for lengthy and convoluted negotiations. The New KQ could have listed and looked for strategic partners.

It's a model that should be used to revive (or bury) many parastatals (or entities in which GoK has significant influence) including Mumias.

Sounds OK on text but practicality is absent

KQ ABP 4.26
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Ericsson
#9506 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:13:50 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
9500 Posts. KQ is special!

One post per KES 10,000,000 of losses!

[The value of KQ has decreased by KES 90bn since 2012. This includes the "P&L losses" as well as balance sheet losses.

KQ owned land at historic cost in 2012 that was revalued and sold. These profits/gains were used to reduce P&L losses. The same with the LHR slots.]

The (real) NAV value of KQ in 2011-12 was much higher than Market Capitalization but today it's the opposite.

There's no progress without effort.. KQ is back from the brink of death

The best route for KQ would have been to transfer viable assets from the Old KQ to the New KQ under a restructuring process. The staff should have been asked to re-apply with the New KQ [sans the liabilities].

While the creditors pummeled and negotiated with the Old KQ, the New KQ could have taken off without the need for lengthy and convoluted negotiations. The New KQ could have listed and looked for strategic partners.

It's a model that should be used to revive (or bury) many parastatals (or entities in which GoK has significant influence) including Mumias.

Sounds OK on text but practicality is absent


True practicality not possible
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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obiero
#9507 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:51:46 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,215
Location: nairobi
What KQ board and management are currently doing via delay of the Open Offer must be the most unprofessional thing they have ever had to do.. Virtually no trading for the past two months? Of what benefit is it?

KQ ABP 4.26
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Ericsson
#9508 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 12:57:43 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
What KQ board and management are currently doing via delay of the Open Offer must be the most unprofessional thing they have ever had to do.. Virtually no trading for the past two months? Of what benefit is it?


KQ Lenders wamekaa ngumu
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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sparkly
#9509 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:09:52 PM
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Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
What KQ board and management are currently doing via delay of the Open Offer must be the most unprofessional thing they have ever had to do.. Virtually no trading for the past two months? Of what benefit is it?


I am feeling your frustrations
Life is short. Live passionately.
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obiero
#9510 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:10:51 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,215
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
What KQ board and management are currently doing via delay of the Open Offer must be the most unprofessional thing they have ever had to do.. Virtually no trading for the past two months? Of what benefit is it?


KQ Lenders wamekaa ngumu

KQLC have no hand in it. They already signed an agreement of non participation in the Open Offer. It's the KQ board and management that are dragging their feet for reasons yet to be disclosed

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