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eboomerang		#9251 Posted : Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:16:44 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/27/2011 Posts: 301 Location: Nairobi		obiero wrote: Ebenyo wrote: Ericsson wrote: eboomerang wrote: Ebenyo wrote: obiero wrote: Spikes wrote: This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele thanks ericson for coming to my aid.hiyo maswali mingi aulize obiero ndio anajua.mimi naye nilisoma kwa media. Lol.. Kuweni wapole @eboomerang.. KQ Lenders Co Ltd obtained 1 ordinary share and 19 deffered shares which were then consolidated from a previous price of KES 2.13. So they gain at any price above KES 8.52 Thanks for the explanation, wasn't privy to that detail. Kweli hio ni classic case study of double dipping.
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obiero		#9252 Posted : Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:24:45 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,217 Location: nairobi		eboomerang wrote: obiero wrote: Ebenyo wrote: Ericsson wrote: eboomerang wrote: Ebenyo wrote: obiero wrote: Spikes wrote: This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele thanks ericson for coming to my aid.hiyo maswali mingi aulize obiero ndio anajua.mimi naye nilisoma kwa media. Lol.. Kuweni wapole @eboomerang.. KQ Lenders Co Ltd obtained 1 ordinary share and 19 deffered shares which were then consolidated from a previous price of KES 2.13. So they gain at any price above KES 8.52 Thanks for the explanation, wasn't privy to that detail. Kweli hio ni classic case study of double dipping. In essence at current price GOK, KLM, KQ ESOP and KQ Lenders Co Ltd have all doubled their equity investment.. But that's where the lie begins. The current price is false! Only propped up by speculation. Fair value cannot or rather should not exceed KES 12.5 KQ ABP 4.26
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eboomerang		#9253 Posted : Thursday, December 14, 2017 1:31:31 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/27/2011 Posts: 301 Location: Nairobi		obiero wrote: eboomerang wrote: obiero wrote: Ebenyo wrote: Ericsson wrote: eboomerang wrote: Ebenyo wrote: obiero wrote: Spikes wrote: This thread is about to lose credibility it used to enjoy. Weka link i think he means that many retail shareholders of kq did not grasp this consolidation well.The final result is that if an investor had 4000 shares,he now has 1000.So there is still no gain whatsoever despite the price change.The banks and other big lenders are the ones who have benefited only.The former shareholders are still in the red. I've seen this assertion a few times including in the media When we say that "banks benefited" what exactly does this mean? any one who know how they seemingly "benefited" ? If they converted to shares prior to consolidation, they should have been subject to consolidation too. If they converted after consolidation, they should have paid the higher price of the share post consolidation. Did neither of this apply? was a discount applied on the conversion price? Acha kelele thanks ericson for coming to my aid.hiyo maswali mingi aulize obiero ndio anajua.mimi naye nilisoma kwa media. Lol.. Kuweni wapole @eboomerang.. KQ Lenders Co Ltd obtained 1 ordinary share and 19 deffered shares which were then consolidated from a previous price of KES 2.13. So they gain at any price above KES 8.52 Thanks for the explanation, wasn't privy to that detail. Kweli hio ni classic case study of double dipping. In essence at current price GOK, KLM, KQ ESOP and KQ Lenders Co Ltd have all doubled their equity investment.. But that's where the lie begins. The current price is false! Only propped up by speculation. Fair value cannot or rather should not exceed KES 12.5 Speculation and other market characteristics are probably driving the price.
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obiero		#9254 Posted : Thursday, December 14, 2017 6:09:17 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,217 Location: nairobi		@maka thought you said Hondius the great was leaving? Seems like he's growing stronger by the week http://www.businessdaily...28510-qauhwuz/index.html KQ ABP 4.26
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ArrestedDev		#9255 Posted : Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:47:10 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi		[quote=obiero]@maka thought you said Hondius the great was leaving? Seems like he's growing stronger by the week http://www.businessdaily...8510-qauhwuz/index.html[/quote] The acquisition was announced sometimes back. I said here previously that these aircrafts should have been leased long ago. Customers should never have been subjected to the experience they went through the last festive season. I gave you the example of Magufuli buying similar aircrafts at a lightning speed while Hondious and Ngunze were leasing old ones from DAC aviation. I hope KQ utilises the two B737 being decommissioned by Jambojet instead of parking/selling them.
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obiero		#9256 Posted : Friday, December 15, 2017 7:21:42 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,217 Location: nairobi		ArrestedDev wrote: obiero wrote: @maka thought you said Hondius the great was leaving? Seems like he's growing stronger by the week http://www.businessdaily...8510-qauhwuz/index.html The acquisition was announced sometimes back. I said here previously that these aircrafts should have been leased long ago. Customers should never have been subjected to the experience they went through the last festive season. I gave you the example of Magufuli buying similar aircrafts at a lightning speed while Hondious and Ngunze were leasing old ones from DAC aviation. I hope KQ utilises the two B737 being decommissioned by Jambojet instead of parking/selling them. Parking the B737 would be tragic.. It's better off to sell incase their utility or maintenance cost is above normal KQ ABP 4.26
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Ericsson		#9257 Posted : Friday, December 15, 2017 10:19:14 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI		Kq should be buying second hand planes or leasing from other airlines. Kq can't play league of buying brand new planes Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Spikes		#9258 Posted : Friday, December 15, 2017 10:25:34 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa		Ericsson wrote: Kq should be buying second hand planes or leasing from other airlines. Kq can't play league of buying brand new planes usiskike na @ obiero ukiongea hivyo na hayo masifa yake yote na KQ John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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obiero		#9259 Posted : Friday, December 15, 2017 10:50:05 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,217 Location: nairobi		Spikes wrote: Ericsson wrote: Kq should be buying second hand planes or leasing from other airlines. Kq can't play league of buying brand new planes usiskike na @ obiero ukiongea hivyo na hayo masifa yake yote na KQ How else can KQ achieve a young fuel efficient fleet if not via purchase.. Leased planes are usually older KQ ABP 4.26
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VituVingiSana		#9260 Posted : Friday, December 15, 2017 11:24:07 AM
Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,347 Location: Nairobi		obiero wrote: Spikes wrote: Ericsson wrote: Kq should be buying second hand planes or leasing from other airlines. Kq can't play league of buying brand new planes usiskike na @ obiero ukiongea hivyo na hayo masifa yake yote na KQ How else can KQ achieve a young fuel efficient fleet if not via purchase.. Leased planes are usually older A few years ago but around the same time... Delta bought old planes, refurbished the and made huge profits off utilizing cheap planes. KQ bought new planes (kickbacks?), couldn’t make the payments and made losses galore. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - *to paraphrase Warren Buffett*
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