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Cytonn Investments
murchr
#911 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 5:58:04 AM
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@alma uko wapi? smile
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sparkly
#912 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:41:01 AM
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quicksand wrote:
sparkly wrote:

Its very sad to see people celebrating the downfall of Cytonn, Dande and Co. I say unto you that those are people who don't know how capitalism works. An investment Advisor/ Manager like Cytonn is an agent. The Agency makes money whether the Principal (Investor) makes money or loses money, as long as there is money in the portfolio. Dande is like a Bank CEO. He receives a salary whether the bank is profitable or not. If the bank fails, he will simply move to the next employer and leave the savers to lick their wounds.

Those celebrating the downfall of Cytonn are essentially celebrating the losses of investors. On the other hand, investors rushing to get out will cause a run on the fund leading to a sure collapse. Investors are best advised to be patient and ride out the hard times occasioned by Covid19.

Anyway Here is the clarification by Cytonn.


There are some
naive
people genuinely caught up in this unfortunate mess. However, many think they are the smart, intrepid investor who will snatch the meal right off the lion's maw. Many knew exactly what kind of animal Cytonn is and put in vast amounts anyway, gambling that by the time the whole thing collapses, they will be long gone, fat profits in tow -and it will be other suckers who will have their balls caught in the revolving door.
Tricksters rely on this kind of hubris time and again and it rarely fails.

Greedy is the word. Those who plant seeds with their pastors are naive but those who expect x2 of the market rate are greedy.
Life is short. Live passionately.
paulkimani
#913 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:40:48 AM
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Superior homes is next to go down after Cytonn.

https://www.superiorhome...s-ahead-of-nse-listing/

https://www.superiorhome...perior-homes-for-sh1bn/

Cytonn have a stake in superior homes to put their own Cytonn thief as CEO.
sparkly
#914 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:14:06 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
paulkimani wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Its very sad to see people celebrating the downfall of Cytonn, Dande and Co. I say unto you that those are people who don't know how capitalism works. An investment Advisor/ Manager like Cytonn is an agent. The Agency makes money whether the Principal (Investor) makes money or loses money, as long as there is money in the portfolio. Dande is like a Bank CEO. He receives a salary whether the bank is profitable or not. If the bank fails, he will simply move to the next employer and leave the savers to lick their wounds.

Those celebrating the downfall of Cytonn are essentially celebrating the losses of investors. On the other hand, investors rushing to get out will cause a run on the fund leading to a sure collapse. Investors are best advised to be patient and ride out the hard times occasioned by Covid19.

Anyway Here is the clarification by Cytonn.



It’s Dande and co’s arrogance and entitlement ever since incorporation, with their constant need for media attention, court cases, and empty noise for years and daylight stealing that people are happy to see finally called out.

Which people are those? Be specific

Not the unfortunate investors caught in the middle.

Who are the other victims of the loss, other than investors? Investors caught in the middle of what and what?

It would be and is incorrect to suggest otherwise.

End of the day - haters still going to hate on the whistleblowers rather than the embezzler. Sad.

What do haters stand to gain by hating on whistleblowers?

Life is short. Live passionately.
rwitre
#915 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:16:31 PM
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Posts: 507
Location: Nairobi
Took a moment to read up on these developments. Laughing out loudly
A comment on the interwebs has stood out

"This Cytonn vs Regulator debacle resembles the Hustler vs Dynasty in Kenya politics"

New entrants vs Old Guard.

My understanding-

Case in court: CHYF
Trapped money: CHYS
Running normally: CMMF

Every investment carries its risk, and investors should carry out their due diligence on what they are signing up for.
paulkimani
#916 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:54:30 PM
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If people had taken as much time to analyse Cytonn as they spend analysing my words, CMA would have acted much earlier


sparkly wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Its very sad to see people celebrating the downfall of Cytonn, Dande and Co. I say unto you that those are people who don't know how capitalism works. An investment Advisor/ Manager like Cytonn is an agent. The Agency makes money whether the Principal (Investor) makes money or loses money, as long as there is money in the portfolio. Dande is like a Bank CEO. He receives a salary whether the bank is profitable or not. If the bank fails, he will simply move to the next employer and leave the savers to lick their wounds.

Those celebrating the downfall of Cytonn are essentially celebrating the losses of investors. On the other hand, investors rushing to get out will cause a run on the fund leading to a sure collapse. Investors are best advised to be patient and ride out the hard times occasioned by Covid19.

Anyway Here is the clarification by Cytonn.



It’s Dande and co’s arrogance and entitlement ever since incorporation, with their constant need for media attention, court cases, and empty noise for years and daylight stealing that people are happy to see finally called out.

Which people are those? Be specific

Not the unfortunate investors caught in the middle.

Who are the other victims of the loss, other than investors? Investors caught in the middle of what and what?

It would be and is incorrect to suggest otherwise.

End of the day - haters still going to hate on the whistleblowers rather than the embezzler. Sad.

What do haters stand to gain by hating on whistleblowers?


sparkly
#917 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:40:48 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
paulkimani wrote:
If people had taken as much time to analyse Cytonn as they spend analysing my words, CMA would have acted much earlier


sparkly wrote:
paulkimani wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Its very sad to see people celebrating the downfall of Cytonn, Dande and Co. I say unto you that those are people who don't know how capitalism works. An investment Advisor/ Manager like Cytonn is an agent. The Agency makes money whether the Principal (Investor) makes money or loses money, as long as there is money in the portfolio. Dande is like a Bank CEO. He receives a salary whether the bank is profitable or not. If the bank fails, he will simply move to the next employer and leave the savers to lick their wounds.

Those celebrating the downfall of Cytonn are essentially celebrating the losses of investors. On the other hand, investors rushing to get out will cause a run on the fund leading to a sure collapse. Investors are best advised to be patient and ride out the hard times occasioned by Covid19.

Anyway Here is the clarification by Cytonn.



It’s Dande and co’s arrogance and entitlement ever since incorporation, with their constant need for media attention, court cases, and empty noise for years and daylight stealing that people are happy to see finally called out.

Which people are those? Be specific

Not the unfortunate investors caught in the middle.

Who are the other victims of the loss, other than investors? Investors caught in the middle of what and what?

It would be and is incorrect to suggest otherwise.

End of the day - haters still going to hate on the whistleblowers rather than the embezzler. Sad.

What do haters stand to gain by hating on whistleblowers?




I will appreciate if you answer my queries Sir. This will help uncover the real issues at Cytonn and possible solutions.
Life is short. Live passionately.
deadpoet
#918 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 8:31:16 PM
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Posts: 505
I'd like to comment as an actual CHYS investor, a minority in the wazua community. In spite of the derision I'm likely to receive from many, I'd like to say:

1. I have confidence in Dande & Co. The steps they have taken to preserve liquidity (like extend maturity), other funds around the world have done.
2. I knew going in that the main investments were real estate, which is not an asset that can be easily liquidated.

Most people commenting on this thread somehow believe that cytonn investors didn't do their due diligence when investing (looking at you @paulkimani, who has a clear axe to grind). 18% is obviously an above average return - only the stupid invest without reading agreements, even those with 24m
sparkly
#919 Posted : Saturday, September 26, 2020 9:57:32 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
deadpoet wrote:
I'd like to comment as an actual CHYS investor, a minority in the wazua community. In spite of the derision I'm likely to receive from many, I'd like to say:

1. I have confidence in Dande & Co. The steps they have taken to preserve liquidity (like extend maturity), other funds around the world have done.
2. I knew going in that the main investments were real estate, which is not an asset that can be easily liquidated.

Most people commenting on this thread somehow believe that cytonn investors didn't do their due diligence when investing (looking at you @paulkimani, who has a clear axe to grind). 18% is obviously an above average return - only the stupid invest without reading agreements, even those with 24m


@deadpoet you are surely in the minority as a rational investor. Most investors in this country are driven by greed or hopium.
Life is short. Live passionately.
mv_ufanisi
#920 Posted : Sunday, September 27, 2020 7:04:25 AM
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Joined: 1/15/2010
Posts: 625
sparkly wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
I'd like to comment as an actual CHYS investor, a minority in the wazua community. In spite of the derision I'm likely to receive from many, I'd like to say:

1. I have confidence in Dande & Co. The steps they have taken to preserve liquidity (like extend maturity), other funds around the world have done.
2. I knew going in that the main investments were real estate, which is not an asset that can be easily liquidated.

Most people commenting on this thread somehow believe that cytonn investors didn't do their due diligence when investing (looking at you @paulkimani, who has a clear axe to grind). 18% is obviously an above average return - only the stupid invest without reading agreements, even those with 24m


@deadpoet you are surely in the minority as a rational investor. Most investors in this country are driven by greed or hopium.
q

Cytonn was peddling hopium and greed.
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