tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:tom_boy wrote:timuka2 wrote:Interesting debate!
Taxing FB would definitely be a toll order. However, could it be viewed as follows.
FB is a US based service provider and therefore paying taxes in the US. The Kenya based user of FB is an importer of a service provided by a US based company via a digital channel. The data charges by the Kenya based telcos to the FB user is therefore equivalent to shipping costs. The telcos are therefore taxed in their own right as "shipping agents" since data is one of their revenue/profit channels which are subject to tax.
As the user, you are importing and consuming a service from a US based company, FB, and therefore citizen bound to pay import duty tax just like any other importer of goods and services.
I agree with you on the end user paying.
But I still feel FB benefits unfairly from the data collected from collective Kenyans. The methodology of making FB to pay may be fuzzy but from a philosophical point of view they should pay. Govt should impose a tax and work on collecting it. Just like we did with free primary education and NHIF. Declare then work out the nitty gritty.
Do you use fb? If so how do they benefit from the data you gave them?
I don't. However, the data is useful to them when it comes to targeted advertisement.
Most people think they are in control of their purchasing habits. This is far from the truth. Advertising and marketing has the ability to shift spending habits of a whole community. With your data, facebook can connect you directly with people selling things you would be likely to buy. Advertising creates the psychological need for the product then you go off and buy it.
They dont take your data and "target market" What you do when you like those pages is just define what you are to them(Male, age, likes sports, likes Adidas, then gauge the number of times you login and the amount of time you spend there). You GIVE THEM YOUR DATA.
Then they reach out to the marketers who have existing FB profiles (participants on this notice board IN THEIR COUNTRY OF RESIDENCY EU and US) and tell these people, hey...x number of people like what you do. For a fee would you like us to show them what you sell? If they agree everyone liking Adidas gets an advert placed by the side of their profile. You as a user, you are under no obligation to view the ad or click on the link, if you are REALLY interested, you may click to see what its about, otherwise its a choice. Not like TV where you have no choice.
So even Tomboy in Kenya who happens to like Adidas on FB may have a link showing "new world cup ball on sale" on the side of his page. If tomboy decides to click on the link, then he is directed to the Adidas page showing the ball. If he decides to purchase the ball...he'll pay taxes in US and any other custom taxes that arise when the ball gets in Kenya.
In short FB is like your online TV which is accessible everywhere, if I happen to watch a commercial on NTV live or Citizen Live while in China, the Chinese have no right to show up at Nation center demanding some tax.
So FB is an enabler in Ecommerce, not really a shop, everyone wanting services from FB are purchasing the service from California, you just have access.
That's the simplified version they would have you believe. If that was the case why do they require all those permissions. Why were they accused in meddling in elections. How does FB establish and save/record my political affiliations. Why do they do social experiments on users without their consent. Why are other sites like gmail accused of scanning private email. Why do they need to do all these things if all FB is waiting for is for me to click and give them more info on myself.
Your explanation is too simplistic. FB collects data on your location, can gauge your income level, knows what phone you are using, what sites you are visiting, your phone contacts, etc, so much more info than you voluntarily give when you sign up. It uses this info to specifically tailor advertising to you based on your location and expressed and not so obviously expressed preferences.
Dude am trying to come down to your level and chew this thing to explain what FB is. I do not think you even understand what you posted up there. Do not take the words of writers too seriously they can over hype something esp if they themselves do not understand it.
Facebook does carry out social experiments so that they can understand how users use their platform, you say without their consent really? How many people read the fine details on the terms of service? Many just click "I accept" without reading what they are clicking. So yes, facebook users accept to participate on social experiments that FB thinks will make their experience on the site better. We here at Wazua keep drumming at admins door telling her to add the like button dont we? If admin was proactive should be placing these likes, emojis etc to see how well we receive them then implement. If FB didn't do this, they would die just like myspace.
Gmail was scanning private email to create profiles for their users but they announced that they will stop that, ofcourse because they have other ways of getting this info. Google has confessed that they got into the Social media space abit late so I guess they envy FB's strategy
Facebook collects data on your location if you allow them (choice) like every app there. They have no way of gauging your income - I think linkedin is the one that can do this from data they have collected online. Yes they know the phone you are using out of the capabilities and capacity you have(they have Facebook Lite for those who have EXTREMELY poor data connections and low end phones aka kabambes..actually, depending on what your phone connects to 2G, 3G 4G, Facebook readjusts to give you the best experience for your phone.
The sites you visit are stored in your cookies...those do not belong to FB but your computer or phone, if you cleared them they wouldnt know what sites you visit. Another thing, if you decided to log into FB using the incognito mode, they still wouldn't know what sites you visit. But then again, why would you care so much about that?
By they way, targeted advertising happens everywhere everyday and its here to stay. The reason we see adverts showing household items(cooking fat, soap, etc) between 7-9pm is because most women are seated watching those mexican soaps. The beer adverts come in later. Google uses your cookies. If in your cookie folder you have porn sites , google will show you where you can purchase lingerie or better still where the next "massage parlor is".
Now FB has taken it to the next level, all the infor they have on you is voluntarily given, (from profile buildup to the stuff you like, pages you follow, groups you belong to, political views you believe in and by the way there no Jubilee or Nasa, its just Rep or Dem - totally American) they package and sell to advertisers, these advertisers then reach to you using FB...(NOTE:transactions are taking place in California) On their books they will indicate the $amount they received from Ads and pay a tax on it. Now if Jumia Kenya paid FB to target all those who follow and like them they have sourced the Ads service from a company abroad their ads will be shown to everyone irregardless of where you are. Its just smart really nothing personal. That link you've posted is written by someone who either is experiencing extreme paranoia or is totally blind to the reality. Another thing is he could be out looking for hits, the article was written when Mark was testifying before congress, all Americans cared for then was the sharing of data...I see the site is asking me to switch on my cookies so that they can advertise to me

, the irony.

If what Zucks is doing was illegal he'd be in jail.
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