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IEBC showdown today!!!!!!!!
harrydre
#161 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2016 1:08:45 PM
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[quote=Njung'e]Meanwhile,

http://www.nation.co.ke/...6322-422dlxz/index.html[/quote]

They should just curse her.
i.am.back!!!!
2012
#162 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2016 1:09:39 PM
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newfarer wrote:
enyands wrote:
Niko na swali tu...the change on iebc originated from that select committee and it went to parliament and was passed ..OK .that committee had kiraitu and Orengo finest law politicians we have in our country .
Then I agree some changes have to be made incase of system failure . Why can't such changes be taken back to the same committee that came up with the same law?why can't the modus of oparandi originate from same committee that came up with the law in the first case ? Why bulldoze it through people who know little about laws? Just asking

A very sober question. Religious leaders are asking the same. Uhuru should NOT sign this bill. It is just shedding more heat than light to the country


But Kenyans, what is the problem? What is the role of the humans we elect to parliament? The constitution is very clear, we elect through a majority the people we want to go and enact laws on our behalf. We are constantly reminded that our choices have consequences. The President should sign.

BBI will solve it
:)
harrydre
#163 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2016 1:10:38 PM
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masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.

You can register 10 times...some walalo in 2012 had register 8 times you will not be in the register of voters. you will appear on a supplemetary list of people that need to be arressted in All the places you had registered to vote in. biometrics are at work.


I think in strongholds you will vote. They will not care.
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masukuma
#164 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:59:34 PM
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harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.

You can register 10 times...some walalo in 2012 had register 8 times you will not be in the register of voters. you will appear on a supplemetary list of people that need to be arressted in All the places you had registered to vote in. biometrics are at work.


I think in strongholds you will vote. They will not care.

Then why even bother registering? Even once.. if you can vote and you are off the register? There is no election that can be held of any kind of credibility that does not trust the IEBC. Hizo machines zinaLoadiwa data na nani?
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enyands
#165 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2016 4:59:53 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.



I once worked as an eck clerk in the year 1999. During registration guys could go and register as many as 20 times. That was OK because there was no way to verify if they are registered anywhere else at the centres we were....

So when the 20 forms(to get 20 voting cards) that he had filled from different registration centres could go to Nairobi,then the computer would match all those forms and realize the same ID number has been used on the all the forms.

Later we could get a report of registered people in our registration centres and such people would have their names barred from voter registration because of multiple registration

So yes they can register as many times they want but as soon as those iebc people submit those forms electronically for synchronization, they will be knocked out of the poll register and possibly "prosecuted for voter fraud"
hardwood
#166 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2016 9:10:51 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.


Wacha panganga. So what did you do as a responsible citizen? Can you even point where muranga is on a map?
Also is it possible for one to acquire several IDs while one is required to submit fingerprints and birth certificate which are then "matched/searched" in a central database before an ID is issued?

There will be alot of propaganda as we head to the elections.
kaka2za
#167 Posted : Saturday, December 24, 2016 11:44:29 PM
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hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.


Wacha panganga. So what did you do as a responsible citizen? Can you even point where muranga is on a map?
Also is it possible for one to acquire several IDs while one is required to submit fingerprints and birth certificate which are then "matched/searched" in a central database before an ID is issued?

There will be alot of propaganda as we head to the elections.


Muranga is near Kendubay. I didn't do anything because I had better fish to fly.I don't how IDs are issued but I saw three IDs for one guy with different names.
You know better about this government so tell me how he got them.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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masukuma
#168 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2016 12:50:07 AM
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enyands wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.



I once worked as an eck clerk in the year 1999. During registration guys could go and register as many as 20 times. That was OK because there was no way to verify if they are registered anywhere else at the centres we were....

So when the 20 forms(to get 20 voting cards) that he had filled from different registration centres could go to Nairobi,then the computer would match all those forms and realize the same ID number has been used on the all the forms.

Later we could get a report of registered people in our registration centres and such people would have their names barred from voter registration because of multiple registration

So yes they can register as many times they want but as soon as those iebc people submit those forms electronically for synchronization, they will be knocked out of the poll register and possibly "prosecuted for voter fraud"

Plus people seem to have forgotten THE IEBC VOTERS REGISTER IS A BIOMETRIC REGISTER.10 FINGERPRINTS AND AN ICAO COMPLIANT PHOTO! yOu can register as many times as you want using as many documents as you wish...you will only succeed if you submit a totally different set of fingerprints and photos...try that and utapatikana. YUsing the current legal regime - you will not vote for that and the next election.
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hardwood
#169 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2016 10:13:01 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.


Wacha panganga. So what did you do as a responsible citizen? Can you even point where muranga is on a map?
Also is it possible for one to acquire several IDs while one is required to submit fingerprints and birth certificate which are then "matched/searched" in a central database before an ID is issued?

There will be alot of propaganda as we head to the elections.


Muranga is near Kendubay. I didn't do anything because I had better fish to fly.I don't how IDs are issued but I saw three IDs for one guy with different names.
You know better about this government so tell me how he got them.


You must be hallucinating and seeing double double and triple triple triple. Wachana na bangi ya migori . Stick to fish .
FRM2011
#170 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2016 10:39:04 AM
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Njung'e
#171 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2016 12:00:28 PM
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Merry X-mas all and allow me to hallucinate. Suppose CORD has fallen for a bigger trap than the grand theory they are trying to spin about some ex-IEBC officials and a Jubilee meeting?....They will be in the streets protesting over amendments which have not gone to the senate and which have to be signed by the President before becoming law. Obviously, someone will portray them as some power hungry fellows only interested in making the country ungovernable so that they get nusu mkate. Meanwhile, as they are busy protesting, the final voter registration period will be on and by the time they come off the streets (That is after the President rejecting the amendments), the voter registration period will be long closed.........excuse me, i am saying nothing!
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Liv
#172 Posted : Sunday, December 25, 2016 11:42:14 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Merry X-mas all and allow me to hallucinate. Suppose CORD has fallen for a bigger trap than the grand theory they are trying to spin about some ex-IEBC officials and a Jubilee meeting?....They will be in the streets protesting over amendments which have not gone to the senate and which have to be signed by the President before becoming law. Obviously, someone will portray them as some power hungry fellows only interested in making the country ungovernable so that they get nusu mkate. Meanwhile, as they are busy protesting, the final voter registration period will be on and by the time they come off the streets (That is after the President rejecting the amendments), the voter registration period will be long closed.........excuse me, i am saying nothing!


You could be right... the demos maybe planned to precede the voter registration period....demos which will start early Jan, while voter registration starts 15th Jan 2017.
I guess the main target are the 2 million youths in Mt Kenya region who have got IDs since 2013 but have no motivation to obtain the voters card.

Violence from CORD demos maybe used to "encourage" them to register for elections.

rurinjaa
#173 Posted : Monday, December 26, 2016 5:08:01 AM
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everyone has seen something. In Murangá one guy has three IDs, saw a crime and the good upright citizen you are walked away and came to Wazua to report the crime and complain and come some day in the future run up and down demonstrating HAKI YETU! What was the guy who had his moment of fame after 2007 telling everyone on national television that he saw rigging at KICC, was shipped to exile(safety)in another country then quietly returned to work in parliament after nusu mkate. Never told us the complete story but aided in fanning the post election violence.
aemathenge
#174 Posted : Monday, December 26, 2016 11:06:48 AM
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rurinjaa wrote:
everyone has seen something. In Murangá one guy has three IDs, saw a crime and the good upright citizen you are walked away and came to Wazua to report the crime and complain and come some day in the future run up and down demonstrating HAKI YETU! What was the guy who had his moment of fame after 2007 telling everyone on national television that he saw rigging at KICC, was shipped to exile(safety)in another country then quietly returned to work in parliament after nusu mkate. Never told us the complete story but aided in fanning the post election violence.

Hear, hear.
FRM2011
#175 Posted : Monday, December 26, 2016 12:41:54 PM
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rurinjaa wrote:
everyone has seen something. In Murangá one guy has three IDs, saw a crime and the good upright citizen you are walked away and came to Wazua to report the crime and complain and come some day in the future run up and down demonstrating HAKI YETU! What was the guy who had his moment of fame after 2007 telling everyone on national television that he saw rigging at KICC, was shipped to exile(safety)in another country then quietly returned to work in parliament after nusu mkate. Never told us the complete story but aided in fanning the post election violence.


Are you telling me that bastard who started the pev with his lies is on govt payroll ? I will never forget that man, and I will never forget the politician who brought him as a witness to the alleged vote rigging.

masukuma
#176 Posted : Monday, December 26, 2016 10:04:46 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
rurinjaa wrote:
everyone has seen something. In Murangá one guy has three IDs, saw a crime and the good upright citizen you are walked away and came to Wazua to report the crime and complain and come some day in the future run up and down demonstrating HAKI YETU! What was the guy who had his moment of fame after 2007 telling everyone on national television that he saw rigging at KICC, was shipped to exile(safety)in another country then quietly returned to work in parliament after nusu mkate. Never told us the complete story but aided in fanning the post election violence.


Are you telling me that bastard who started the pev with his lies is on govt payroll ? I will never forget that man, and I will never forget the politician who brought him as a witness to the alleged vote rigging.


Remember a certain "returning officer" from molo?
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Impunity
#177 Posted : Tuesday, December 27, 2016 6:54:15 PM
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hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.


Wacha panganga. So what did you do as a responsible citizen? Can you even point where muranga is on a map?
Also is it possible for one to acquire several IDs while one is required to submit fingerprints and birth certificate which are then "matched/searched" in a central database before an ID is issued?

There will be alot of propaganda as we head to the elections.


Muranga is near Kendubay. I didn't do anything because I had better fish to fly.I don't how IDs are issued but I saw three IDs for one guy with different names.
You know better about this government so tell me how he got them.


You must be hallucinating and seeing double double and triple triple triple. Wachana na bangi ya migori . Stick to fish .


One ID could have been his while the other two he picked public notice boards as "lost n found" items.
In that case even me I can have 19 ID's kesho.

You need tell us the DoB entered on the IDs,if the picture was the same, if the person in both hailed from the same village etc.

And by the did he show you his voters cards?Or how did u know he registered in North, South,West,East ext?
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masukuma
#178 Posted : Tuesday, December 27, 2016 7:35:30 PM
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Impunity wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
OMG! Babu could be right!
Am in Muranga town and a drunk youth has shown me three different ID cards.He has registered as a voter in Muranga South,East and North!

That explains the rush to change the laws.


Wacha panganga. So what did you do as a responsible citizen? Can you even point where muranga is on a map?
Also is it possible for one to acquire several IDs while one is required to submit fingerprints and birth certificate which are then "matched/searched" in a central database before an ID is issued?

There will be alot of propaganda as we head to the elections.


Muranga is near Kendubay. I didn't do anything because I had better fish to fly.I don't how IDs are issued but I saw three IDs for one guy with different names.
You know better about this government so tell me how he got them.


You must be hallucinating and seeing double double and triple triple triple. Wachana na bangi ya migori . Stick to fish .


One ID could have been his while the other two he picked public notice boards as "lost n found" items.
In that case even me I can have 19 ID's kesho.

You need tell us the DoB entered on the IDs,if the picture was the same, if the person in both hailed from the same village etc.

And by the did he show you his voters cards?Or how did u know he registered in North, South,West,East ext?

Why do people ignore these facts that
1) we have a biometric register 10 fingers... it doesn't matter what ID cards you use to register...utapatikana.
2) we have polling day procedures where your finger is marked with indelible
3) voting is one day and so queing in multiple polling stations is not a pedestrian affair.

That style of rigging is stupid...
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FRM2011
#179 Posted : Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:14:33 PM
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Hi @masukuma, I have been hearing this allegation of 2M voters who only vited for president and no other post.

IEBC, in its defence, clarified that the figure was circa 500K not 2M as alleged by cord.

So i decided to counter-check today. 14 counties that voted jubilee overwhelmingly. 9 being mt.kenya stronghold and 5 being north rift.

Guess what. The figures tell a very different story. I averaged the total votes for the other positions against the total presidential vote tally.

Meru county had the highest discrepancy of 5,000 votes. In neighbouring tharaka nithi, the votes cast for the president were actually less than the other elective seats.

I got tired. Why are we so f#&*"g lazy in this country?

Why can't any media house confront cord with the above facts ?

Why can't the jubilee loudmouths respond to cord with facts ?

So now the biggest debate is that dead votes cast their votes for jubilee and evid will take care of that.

And yet there is no evidence for the same.

It's like a country full of zombies. Nkt.
aemathenge
#180 Posted : Tuesday, December 27, 2016 10:08:08 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Why do people ignore these facts

Because YOU keep on ignoring the most important facts, which are:

1. THAT Kenia is Inchi Ya Kito Kidogo na Manjambazi. Every one (un)fortunate enough to get that "job" as an erectoral official has a prize.

2. THAT "rigging" specialists at the Polling Centre know that for a "rigging" to succeed, all it takes is compromising what every Erectoral Regime since the 1992 Erections calls the "Lead Clerk."

3. THAT these "officials" are not imported from other Districts/Counties. They are local.

Have a candid conversation with people who have taken those jobs, especially the Clerks and Deputy Returning Officers.
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