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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature. Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature. Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. who is in custody of 'the money'? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature. Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. who is in custody of 'the money'? When she was withdrawing amounts in mass (100M, 52M, 30M sometimes 1M, 5M) which she claimed that she was going to pay workers at a quarry in Ngong....she was depositing in accounts some of which belong to Ben Gethi, Kago the KCB driver, Crispin Sankale among others who she doesn't want to mention. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature.Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. That's my point. So how did money move to her account based on fake LPO? Shouldn't an issuing company be able to automatically detect a fake LPO? The person who authorised the payment is the easiest to prosecute.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature. Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. who is in custody of 'the money'? When she was withdrawing amounts in mass (100M, 52M, 30M sometimes 1M, 5M) which she claimed that she was going to pay workers at a quarry in Ngong....she was depositing in accounts some of which belong to Ben Gethi, Kago the KCB driver, Crispin Sankale among others who she doesn't want to mention. not on her end... what she does with her 'money' is really her business - she could be wanting to buy sand for arabs or get into a business to sell ice to eskimos... my question is... AT ONE POINT HIYO PESA ILIKUWA KWA GAVA! IKATOKA... KUNA MTU HULIPANA... (ACCOUNTS PAYABLES GUY). it must have a physical signature... who is this guy who signs for GOK? unless GOK says it was fraud - someone forged the signature of the person who normally instructs the bank to release money. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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2012 wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature.Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. That's my point. So how did money move to her account based on fake LPO? Shouldn't an issuing company be able to automatically detect a fake LPO? The person who authorised the payment is the easiest to prosecute. The person with the passwords said it was stolen, CID has confirmed that he's lying Now go and read the penal code. Everyone who aided with the theft will be in as an accomplice. The links are in previous comments on this thread "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature. Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. who is in custody of 'the money'? When she was withdrawing amounts in mass (100M, 52M, 30M sometimes 1M, 5M) which she claimed that she was going to pay workers at a quarry in Ngong....she was depositing in accounts some of which belong to Ben Gethi, Kago the KCB driver, Crispin Sankale among others who she doesn't want to mention. not on her end... what she does with her 'money' is really her business - she could be wanting to buy sand for arabs or get into a business to sell ice to eskimos... my question is... AT ONE POINT HIYO PESA ILIKUWA KWA GAVA! IKATOKA... KUNA MTU HULIPANA... (ACCOUNTS PAYABLES GUY). it must have a physical signature... who is this guy who signs for GOK? unless GOK says it was fraud - someone forged the signature of the person who normally instructs the bank to release money. Soma hio jibu nime pea 2012. She said her job was to supply NYS with mawe ya mjengo. But it was said that NYS excavated their mawe and transported it. The MP for ngong said, there was no way 1M could have been used to pay the quarry guys coz a lorry goes for 2500, so 1M is about 400 lorries, that was unfeasible and the impact would have been seen. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:2012 wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature.Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. That's my point. So how did money move to her account based on fake LPO? Shouldn't an issuing company be able to automatically detect a fake LPO? The person who authorised the payment is the easiest to prosecute. The person with the passwords said it was stolen, CID has confirmed that he's lying Now go and read the penal code. Everyone who aided with the theft will be in as an accomplice. The links are in previous comments on this thread All said and done, you and I know she'll get away on technicalities.
BBI will solve it :)
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The MPs were just playing politics. Couldn't they get cctv cameras to check who was with her when she was withdrawing the money and verify where the money was going or whether she used a gunia to take it out? Consistency is better than intensity
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