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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,883
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given that dande is their chocho media guy (given the way he is hands on in facebook and responds even to comments on articles), as well as being the ceo of course, what are the chances that he is in wazua? if not then maybe lady admin may invite him, verify his account and let him tell us his secret recipe for the 54% return.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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mkenyan wrote:given that dande is their chocho media guy (given the way he is hands on in facebook and responds even to comments on articles), as well as being the ceo of course, what are the chances that he is in wazua? if not then maybe lady admin may invite him, verify his account and let him tell us his secret recipe for the 54% return. Dont get confused. They paid back money to a PE at 54% with no project completed "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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Angelica _ann wrote:This is a young company being run by brilliant young minds, give them time. Ambitious young smart brilliant and promising to go places with big numbers. Google Alfred Wangai Mundia. Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,883
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murchr wrote:mkenyan wrote:given that dande is their chocho media guy (given the way he is hands on in facebook and responds even to comments on articles), as well as being the ceo of course, what are the chances that he is in wazua? if not then maybe lady admin may invite him, verify his account and let him tell us his secret recipe for the 54% return. Dont get confused. They paid back money to a PE at 54% with no project completed understood that. need to know this secret receipt that allows them to pay a return of 54% (meaning they must make way more than that).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Pesa Nane wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:This is a young company being run by brilliant young minds, give them time. Ambitious young smart brilliant and promising to go places with big numbers. Google Alfred Wangai Mundia.  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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Pesa Nane wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:This is a young company being run by brilliant young minds, give them time. Ambitious young smart brilliant and promising to go places with big numbers. Google Alfred Wangai Mundia. “The case was to start last year, but we had instances where files disappeared and others where Mr Wangai refused to accept summons or claimed he wasn’t served,” says Mr Siahi.Welcome to kenya guys . This is what they do after stealing your money and they capitalize on weakness of the judiciary. CJ himself was up in the arms over the same organisation he heads because of kateros *cartels. We should be expecting more of these ponzi schemes .they know how to go round the systems
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Coop trust if am not wrong is at 9% pa....Britam 5%...Cytonn are at? possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Besides the Amara, Alma now a new project was launched last night by Cytonn, NewTown in Athi River which is a hugh 1000acre city. From what I saw last night at the launch, its going to be mixed use
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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Watching, moto wa kuotea bali. Their Media love.. Chema chajiuza punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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newfarer wrote:Watching, moto wa kuotea bali. Their Media love.. Chema chajiuza Knowing their circles and investors. It will be bad to screw them. I just don't think they are running a pyramid scheme here. probably a marketing thing until they capture a good number of clientele
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Ponzi. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/3/2016 Posts: 132
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poundfoolish wrote:newfarer wrote:Watching, moto wa kuotea bali. Their Media love.. Chema chajiuza Knowing their circles and investors. It will be bad to screw them. I just don't think they are running a pyramid scheme here. probably a marketing thing until they capture a good number of clientele I think the marketing/visibility cuts both ways. This presence on Twitter and Facebook and news sites means any disgruntled investors would be on the comment sections. Haven't seen that.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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poundfoolish wrote:[quote=newfarer]Knowing their circles and investors. It will be bad to screw them. I just don't think they are running a pyramid scheme here. probably a marketing thing until they capture a good number of clientele Like Madoff, Cytonn didn't purposely start out as a ponzi. The Acorn saga tipped them over. Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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Ash Ock wrote:poundfoolish wrote:[quote=newfarer]Knowing their circles and investors. It will be bad to screw them. I just don't think they are running a pyramid scheme here. probably a marketing thing until they capture a good number of clientele Like Madoff, Cytonn didn't purposely start out as a ponzi. The Acorn saga tipped them over. Where are they getting the high returns when every other corporate is making losses? Heck even kra is short of target by 69billion.ponzi New money paying for old money until no more new money is coming in then the bubble bursts punda amecheka
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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projects are flowing, money is being made for the sophisticated investors and u guys are still crying wolf?! Greedy when fearful and fearful when greedy is what comes to mind here. To profit, a sophisticated investor does not follow mob mentality as money isnt where the crowd is! We talk in a year regarding this....remember, you heard it first from me. This discussion is on hold from hereon end. I will just update you when I am invited for launch 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,979
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Horton wrote:projects are flowing, money is being made for the sophisticated investors and u guys are still crying wolf?! Greedy when fearful and fearful when greedy is what comes to mind here. To profit, a sophisticated investor does not follow mob mentality as money isnt where the crowd is! We talk in a year regarding this....remember, you heard it first from me. This discussion is on hold from hereon end. I will just update you when I am invited for launch What project have they sold? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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Horton wrote:projects are flowing, money is being made for the sophisticated investors and u guys are still crying wolf?! Greedy when fearful and fearful when greedy is what comes to mind here. To profit, a sophisticated investor does not follow mob mentality as money isnt where the crowd is! We talk in a year regarding this....remember, you heard it first from me. This discussion is on hold from hereon end. I will just update you when I am invited for launch That's the exact same thing I heard from people walking to DECI and Viportal while singing "Kumbaya" yet they could not answer simple questions such as @murchr's. Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Ash Ock wrote:Horton wrote:projects are flowing, money is being made for the sophisticated investors and u guys are still crying wolf?! Greedy when fearful and fearful when greedy is what comes to mind here. To profit, a sophisticated investor does not follow mob mentality as money isnt where the crowd is! We talk in a year regarding this....remember, you heard it first from me. This discussion is on hold from hereon end. I will just update you when I am invited for launch That's the exact same thing I heard from people walking to DECI and Viportal while singing "Kumbaya" yet they could not answer simple questions such as @murchr's. Maybe they don't follow the laws of economics. Some of these real estate guys come with a lot of steam, then projects take forever to complete. Speaking from experience... bought a plot with FEP at Lukenya, 2 years down the line no title, bought a unit offplan with Suraya, 3 years down the line still not complete. Btw these two are more established than Cytonn. Jury is still out on Cytonn. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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sparkly wrote:Ash Ock wrote:Horton wrote:projects are flowing, money is being made for the sophisticated investors and u guys are still crying wolf?! Greedy when fearful and fearful when greedy is what comes to mind here. To profit, a sophisticated investor does not follow mob mentality as money isnt where the crowd is! We talk in a year regarding this....remember, you heard it first from me. This discussion is on hold from hereon end. I will just update you when I am invited for launch That's the exact same thing I heard from people walking to DECI and Viportal while singing "Kumbaya" yet they could not answer simple questions such as @murchr's. Maybe they don't follow the laws of economics. Some of these real estate guys come with a lot of steam, then projects take forever to complete. Speaking from experience... bought a plot with FEP at Lukenya, 2 years down the line no title, bought a unit offplan with Suraya, 3 years down the line still not complete. Btw these two are more established than Cytonn. Jury is still out on Cytonn. There is a wise man who once told me, when you hear what is a simple investment being described with adjectives like "sophisticated" investor, run. There is nothing "sophisticated" with investing in land. You buy a property in an area you think shall develop, develop the land, then sell it at a profit. I'll go back to what I was asking before...How unsophisticated were the investors in Buffolo Hills, That golf think in Longonot, that golf thing in Thika or even Tatu City. Tatu kwanza has some pretty "sophisticated" lawyers and "industrialists" Cynton, please explain simply. Since none of your projects has even started, let alone been sold out, exactly where are you getting the returns of 20+ to give this "sophisticated" non-investor? Land prices are tumbling all over, property firms are even selling greenhouses with a roof, but somehow.....somehow...somehow or is it the wall street experience. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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alma1 wrote:sparkly wrote:Ash Ock wrote:Horton wrote:projects are flowing, money is being made for the sophisticated investors and u guys are still crying wolf?! Greedy when fearful and fearful when greedy is what comes to mind here. To profit, a sophisticated investor does not follow mob mentality as money isnt where the crowd is! We talk in a year regarding this....remember, you heard it first from me. This discussion is on hold from hereon end. I will just update you when I am invited for launch That's the exact same thing I heard from people walking to DECI and Viportal while singing "Kumbaya" yet they could not answer simple questions such as @murchr's. Maybe they don't follow the laws of economics. Some of these real estate guys come with a lot of steam, then projects take forever to complete. Speaking from experience... bought a plot with FEP at Lukenya, 2 years down the line no title, bought a unit offplan with Suraya, 3 years down the line still not complete. Btw these two are more established than Cytonn. Jury is still out on Cytonn. There is a wise man who once told me, when you hear what is a simple investment being described with adjectives like "sophisticated" investor, run. There is nothing "sophisticated" with investing in land. You buy a property in an area you think shall develop, develop the land, then sell it at a profit. I'll go back to what I was asking before...How unsophisticated were the investors in Buffolo Hills, That golf think in Longonot, that golf thing in Thika or even Tatu City. Tatu kwanza has some pretty "sophisticated" lawyers and "industrialists" Cynton, please explain simply. Since none of your projects has even started, let alone been sold out, exactly where are you getting the returns of 20+ to give this "sophisticated" non-investor?Land prices are tumbling all over, property firms are even selling greenhouses with a roof, but somehow.....somehow...somehow or is it the wall street experience. If you go to Cytonn offices and asked this questions, they would answer you very sensibly, I dare you to try and give feedback here. Just try it and tell me if I am right. No need for crying Ponzi Scheme etc. My only fear for them is that they are entering the property market late in the game, the market is already skeptical about the players, but me thinks they will still succeed. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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