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The 1982 coup
murchr
#81 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:06:24 AM
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Facts you may not have known.
1. The whole thing would have been prevented because MIC(Military Intelligent Corps) had info about it 2 wks b4. When the CGS was told..he took it lightly and dint think it would happen.

2 In July 1982, there had been simmering discontentment among the low-ranking Air Force officers regarding inadequate accommodation. However Mulinge the CGS had been informed and construction of houses had began.

3 It is believed that Lieutenant Mwamburi was the one who leaked the info because he had been recruited to join the mutiny, his info was that Air force officers and soldiers from One Kenya Rifles, Nanyuki, and 78 Tank Battalion, Isiolo, were planning a mutiny. He wasnt believed because he was a "troublesome officer" the matter was however investigated and Ogidi and Ochuka were identified as ringleaders. What made the army not to act was the fact that the whole deal dint incorporate senior officers so Mulinge assumed the "boys" wouldn't do it, and he would deal with them once he establishes the whole issue. But 3 day b4 the coup Mo1 was informed about it.

4. Before the boys pulled their stunt, it was noted that Ochuka used to meet Raila in a house on 4th Ngong Ave, owned then by a prof Otieno.

5. The army together with the special branch, conducted investigations on which torture was involved and some confessions were made, its believed that this is where the politicians(Sir Charles, OAR and others) involved were mentioned.<----It was however too hard to prove this and now that Sir Charles had been mentioned the west was "interested".

6. That man called Kanyotu died with very many secrets. If only there was a way one would open up someones brain and take out all info.
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Alba
#82 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 4:31:07 AM
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When you consider how poorly executed the coup was it becomes difficult to imagine that a person like Oginga Odinga who was once VP and knew what it takes to topple a government was actually involved deeply. I mean seriously, these people thought that taking over broadcasting house amounted to a coup. How amateurish is that ?

So Oginga funded the coup huh ? How much funding did the Airforce serrvicemen really need to pick up their rifles and storm Broadcasting house ?

Its difficult to imagine that Oginga Odinga thought he could topple the government using two Airforce privates and no senior officers to mastermind the coup. This is a man who as a former VP understood how the military works.

Based on the original stories, I have read, the coup plotters were unhappy because of the way junior officers were treated and that was their main reason for plotting a coup. It is also obvious that Moi knew a coup was coming. Thats why according to reliable sources, he was so nonchalant about it.

Another thing that difficult to imagine is that given all the contacts Oginga had overseas, he never thought of an escape plan should the coup fail. He and RAO actually waited like sitting ducks for Moi to come and arrest them.

And RAO was not that popular in 1982. If Moi thought he was guilty, he would have charged him with treason.

Moi accused RAO of all manner of things when he was President and even locked him up in detention. But he never came out and said that RAO was one of the master minds of the coup and even went as far as dropping the charges ?

I have noticed of late that there has been a concerted effort in some of the media to trash Oginga Odinga. Those who lived through the Kenyatta years will tell you that the same thing happened in the 1970s. Is history repeating itself ?
murchr
#83 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:16:01 AM
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Alba wrote:
When you consider how poorly executed the coup was it becomes difficult to imagine that a person like Oginga Odinga who was once VP and knew what it takes to topple a government was actually involved deeply. I mean seriously, these people thought that taking over broadcasting house amounted to a coup. How amateurish is that ?

So Oginga funded the coup huh ? How much funding did the Airforce serrvicemen really need to pick up their rifles and storm Broadcasting house ?

Its difficult to imagine that Oginga Odinga thought he could topple the government using two Airforce privates and no senior officers to mastermind the coup. This is a man who as a former VP understood how the military works.

Based on the original stories, I have read, the coup plotters were unhappy because of the way junior officers were treated and that was their main reason for plotting a coup. It is also obvious that Moi knew a coup was coming. Thats why according to reliable sources, he was so nonchalant about it.

Another thing that difficult to imagine is that given all the contacts Oginga had overseas, he never thought of an escape plan should the coup fail. He and RAO actually waited like sitting ducks for Moi to come and arrest them.

And RAO was not that popular in 1982. If Moi thought he was guilty, he would have charged him with treason.

Moi accused RAO of all manner of things when he was President and even locked him up in detention. But he never came out and said that RAO was one of the master minds of the coup and even went as far as dropping the charges ?

I have noticed of late that there has been a concerted effort in some of the media to trash Oginga Odinga. Those who lived through the Kenyatta years will tell you that the same thing happened in the 1970s. Is history repeating itself ?


There was no evidence that Oginga was not involved, rather the son was, but the father stood by the son to the very end, you wonder how amateurish the whole issue was...yes the guy was an amateur then, alikuwa hajaiva bado, he wasnt the enigma you know today. The reason why Ochuka and group were incapacitated was because the army knew their plans were going on and one Major Kiilu made sure what they had in their disposal was not so lethal, the communication equipment at Eastleigh had to be destroyed and that made it impossible for Ochuka to communicate with the rest......300 people died tho most of them were university students (Raila was working with the university then) who were rioting and were supporting the rebels.

RAO was not popular yes but he was the son of the 1st vice president of Kenya, infact almost all politicians who were incarcerated then were just held in detention, it was hard to prove that they were involved. He was tried and found not guilty...then the book came out...

And yes the other coup was in the 70s where Major Ndolo was involved.

Has anyone ever followed up to know what happened to the family of those who were hanged?
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mkonomtupu
#84 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:37:50 AM
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mawinder wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
most wazuans are young. Most cant recall when MO1 said clearly there was a "msaliti" who was being groomed by foreign powers to take power. RAO was promptly pardoned to give evidence against the "msaliti"


I missed the gist of your thread due to sleep.You are wrong.RAO was released from detention in 1988 after the Miller commission had been disbanded.He was rearrested the same year and released in 1991.He has suffered and for that period NEVER call him a traitor.In fact I respect Muite and him for that while Lee Muthoga is the traitor.


RAO was actually charged with treason according to the charge sheet prepared by sharad rao. there was actually a watertight case as patrick shaw and by then CİD used to be meticulous in gathering evidence. if the trial went through RAO would have been convicted. sharad rao entered a nolle prosequi against the charges facing RAO who was then detained and brought in 1984 to testify against msaliti in the miller commission which was not disbanded but actually gave recommendations which were not implemented. i still have the "Weekly Review" from those days.

Actually starting with the first treason trial in kenya in 1980-81 the Muthembwa trial before chief justice simpson you could tell something was being planned.

As for RAO organizing the 1990 saba saba riots that is just hogwash he was nowhere near the table actually he was in detention.
Lolest!
#85 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:44:47 AM
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McReggae wrote:
So the researchers had more than enough information about the research? at least now a number of wazuans know it aint as easy as some would like it to be.....Odinga...

I have removed the hallowed name Odinga from the title. I hope now you will contribute in a mature way. You have so many posts that add no value to this thread.
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McReggae
#86 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:59:00 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
McReggae wrote:
So the researchers had more than enough information about the research? at least now a number of wazuans know it aint as easy as some would like it to be.....Odinga...

I have removed the hallowed name Odinga from the title. I hope now you will contribute in a mature way. You have so many posts that add no value to this thread.


No value to the thread? Thank you sir.
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Mtu Biz
#87 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:09:40 AM
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Is it not possible to state in plain speech how this previously unknown part of history went down?

Ama iliandikwa na tycho.
Sola Scriptura


Lolest!
#88 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:47:16 AM
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McReggae wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
McReggae wrote:
So the researchers had more than enough information about the research? at least now a number of wazuans know it aint as easy as some would like it to be.....Odinga...

I have removed the hallowed name Odinga from the title. I hope now you will contribute in a mature way. You have so many posts that add no value to this thread.


No value to the thread? Thank you sir.

sorry little value for someone who claims to be in the know
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simonkabz
#89 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:57:59 AM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
Is it not possible to state in plain speech how this previously unknown part of history went down?

Ama iliandikwa na tycho.


Fellows who think they are holding into very important secrets.
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Siringi
#90 Posted : Sunday, August 04, 2013 11:40:27 AM
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Thanks @mkonomtupu it is important to teach these Kifake shuldrens the right history government and civics. Some of them read only geography and physical sciences. . .

If the Saba Saba 'Uprisings' and agitation for constutional change were a football match Rayila cannot make the first 11, infact much to the chagrin on his supporters hata bench zi.
First eleven reads like,
1. Timothy Njoya, 2.Ahmed Salim Bahmariz 3.Rhumba Kinuthia 3.Masinde Muliro 4.Martin Shikuku before the ugali incident 5 . Ken Stanley Njindo 6.Jaramogi Adononija Oginga Odinga 7. Paul Kibugi Muite 9. Nthenge George 10. James orengo 11. Gitobu Imanyara

the reserve team had the likes of kijana wamalwa as deputy captain, Salim NdamweJohn Khaminwa,Koigi Wamwere Phiroze Nowrojee, Kathurima inoti, George Anyona serving injury in prison. Mohammed Ibrahim, Gitobu Imanyara, Charles Rubia,Gibson Kamau Kuria Kiraitu Murungi, etc ongezea any other players i might have left out including Wangari Maathai and Ndingi MwanaNzeki, Manasses Kuria, ArchBishop Okoth Rayila was a ball boy

On this 82 monkey business editors of the time the likes of Nyamora and Hillary Ngweno owe us the real history of what really went down in this Kenya's unspoken.

And before people start throwing stones notice Ubaks names is inentionally left out because he an his muthaiga-DP golfing buddies came late after Christmas of that year after a drinking spree and started urinating at our FORD bus. . . The rest is History


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As for RAO organizing the 1990 saba saba riots that is just hogwash he was nowhere near the table actually he was in detention.
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