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Uhuru versus Raila 2017
wukan
#1761 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:42:39 PM
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The debate had almost zero effect on the voting patterns. The anger against UK will disappear in the coming week. The biggest losers of the debate were actually the donkey candidates because none had the charisma to sway votes their way which now means this race ends in round one.

What now matters is the voter enthusiasm on 8.8. The undecided voters are those who are undecided on whether to turn up or not.
Lolest!
#1762 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:54:35 PM
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On alshabbad he said it is is him and kibaki who sent troops to somalia and now wants them to be withdrawn and stationed at the kenyan border. Wont all the liberated territories fall back to alshabab. Will Kenya be safer with the terrorists occupying territory upto the kenyan border?

On this I'm with baba 100%. The servants of Satan, Al-Shetanis, may not be controlled easily from occupation.

The invasion method has failed. It could work better in totalitarian regimes like Ethiopia.

AMISOM can use other countries that don't share a border and are far away like Ghana
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
newfarer
#1763 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:11:28 PM
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Much Know wrote:
2012 wrote:
I commend baba for showing up and putting up a good show, he performed way above my expectations.
I understand why UK did not show up, as an incumbent it's never a good idea to debate your opponents unless you are guaranteed of a win like M7. I still think UK would have done well enough to sway some undecided his way.
All-in-all, the verdict will be on 8th August. May the best man win.

True, i really liked the way Raira handled the "kimundu" e.t.c with humor, lik a gentleman, a conciliatory approach unlike the boring, humorless odomos in wazua who whine and yell to admin about such simple jokes, he copied Uhuru charming style and maybe outdid him, very competently erasing a lot of the Raira phobia which makes people wake up at 6am to vote against him. He even painted the Kenyattas as the ones who eat with family members in garment and his family keeps off, wah! No need arguing that this was a major coup for Raira, he did very well, he was lucky, i congratulate him. Applause

much .. you think this will go unnoticed,congratulations to you too.this is the Kenya we want after 8.8 17.
punda amecheka
simonkabz
#1764 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:22:15 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
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On alshabbad he said it is is him and kibaki who sent troops to somalia and now wants them to be withdrawn and stationed at the kenyan border. Wont all the liberated territories fall back to alshabab. Will Kenya be safer with the terrorists occupying territory upto the kenyan border?

On this I'm with baba 100%. The servants of Satan, Al-Shetanis, may not be controlled easily from occupation.

The invasion method has failed. It could work better in totalitarian regimes like Ethiopia.

AMISOM can use other countries that don't share a border and are far away like Ghana


My fren, this is something that needs to be welded into Kenyans by the welder himself. Other than the Troop Contributing Countries that have already sent troops to Som, none other is willing to risk the same, 10 years down the line since the creation of AMISOM.

We are in this alone, let no one lie to you that scrambling our troops back to the border will guarantee us any peace.

And yes, AS can be defeated or largely weakened, if the world (UN) takes up the rich, heavily populated and highly productive JUBA RIVER CORRIDOR, the last remaining bastion of the cowards and their Shura Council. Capturing large towns like Jilib, Jamaame, Buaale, Saakow, Salagle will severely weaken the terror army and their underage fighters.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
hardwood
#1765 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:30:28 PM
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newfarer wrote:
Much Know wrote:
2012 wrote:
I commend baba for showing up and putting up a good show, he performed way above my expectations.
I understand why UK did not show up, as an incumbent it's never a good idea to debate your opponents unless you are guaranteed of a win like M7. I still think UK would have done well enough to sway some undecided his way.
All-in-all, the verdict will be on 8th August. May the best man win.

True, i really liked the way Raira handled the "kimundu" e.t.c with humor, lik a gentleman, a conciliatory approach unlike the boring, humorless odomos in wazua who whine and yell to admin about such simple jokes, he copied Uhuru charming style and maybe outdid him, very competently erasing a lot of the Raira phobia which makes people wake up at 6am to vote against him. He even painted the Kenyattas as the ones who eat with family members in garment and his family keeps off, wah! No need arguing that this was a major coup for Raira, he did very well, he was lucky, i congratulate him. Applause

much .. you think this will go unnoticed,congratulations to you too.this is the Kenya we want after 8.8 17.


Surely is there anything that baba said to deserve any accolades? Can someone list the things he said he would do that make him deserve to be elected president.
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hardwood
#1766 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:34:26 PM
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http://www.the-star.co.k...-hate-leaflets_c1603633

On Monday, Mandago met members of the Luo and Luhya communities in Eldoret where he urged them to vote for him and accused Buzeki of inciting communities using the leaflets and forged county letters.

The county has more than 450,000 voters and almost half of them are not from the Kalenjin community. Some of the groups have been classified as swing communities.

Amores
#1767 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:34:32 PM
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maka wrote:
Baratang wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Would Uhuru have gotten fair questioning if he had attended knowing far too well that the two fellows Linus and Joe are ODM members. Just asking for a friend.


Interesting because Joe Ageyo is current employed by NASA in the PR team.


Precisely. And Linus at some not distant past vied for an elective post some place in Kilgoris on an ODM ticket.

Uhuru was clever not to attend. I would have done the same thing.



Sigh...


Is it really true he vied on an ODM ticket?
I am happy
Amores
#1768 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:41:24 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
Bigchick wrote:
By a show of hands,anybody who was a jubilee supporter who has changed his mind coz UK did not show up?

I was disappointed he did not show up coz he had given some feelers like he would.However 8817 Kura kwa debe ya UK





See post #1708 Above


Laughing out loudly I remember @ liv laughed at you for this "pretense"because clearly,you have been ODM all along.
I am happy
hardwood
#1769 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:47:21 PM
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Amores wrote:
maka wrote:
Baratang wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Baratang wrote:
Would Uhuru have gotten fair questioning if he had attended knowing far too well that the two fellows Linus and Joe are ODM members. Just asking for a friend.


Interesting because Joe Ageyo is current employed by NASA in the PR team.


Precisely. And Linus at some not distant past vied for an elective post some place in Kilgoris on an ODM ticket.

Uhuru was clever not to attend. I would have done the same thing.



Sigh...


Is it really true he vied on an ODM ticket?


Yes.

C&P

".......Linus Kaikai was an ODM candidate in 2007 for the Kilgoris parliamentary nomination, today, he is part of this media house and organizers of the debate and Joe Ageyo is a beneficiary of the Jaramogi Odinga Foundation scholarship to study in Norway on climate change".
FRM2011
#1770 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:52:44 PM
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hardwood wrote:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/07/25/dont-worry-eldoret-police-tell-voters-after-more-hate-leaflets_c1603633

On Monday, Mandago met members of the Luo and Luhya communities in Eldoret where he urged them to vote for him and accused Buzeki of inciting communities using the leaflets and forged county letters.

The county has more than 450,000 voters and almost half of them are not from the Kalenjin community. Some of the groups have been classified as swing communities.



I have no idea what is happening in Eld but it doesn't sound nice. Considering they are both Jubilee, Uhuru and Ruto should intervene to calm the tension in the town. Its taking a very ugly tribal angle.
AlphDoti
#1771 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:12:15 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/07/25/dont-worry-eldoret-police-tell-voters-after-more-hate-leaflets_c1603633

On Monday, Mandago met members of the Luo and Luhya communities in Eldoret where he urged them to vote for him and accused Buzeki of inciting communities using the leaflets and forged county letters.

The county has more than 450,000 voters and almost half of them are not from the Kalenjin community. Some of the groups have been classified as swing communities.


I have no idea what is happening in Eld but it doesn't sound nice. Considering they are both Jubilee, Uhuru and Ruto should intervene to calm the tension in the town. Its taking a very ugly tribal angle.

True, Uhuru and Ruto need to intervene. It seems the people are speaking but these two are not reading the signs. My opinion is if swing communities insist in OPENLY alienating themselves, it may not be very good now or 2022. Uasin Gishu guys had chosen Mandago but WSR seems to be vouching for Bzki in the back scenes...
simonkabz
#1772 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:17:34 PM
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WSR is his own worst enemy. He has managed to plant acolytes all over.......Nairobi, Kiambu, Murang'a.........Yet his own backyard is rebelling against his choices. He needs to be extra careful. You cannot afford to keep making enemies at every turn and on every move.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Njung'e
#1773 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:19:03 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
[quote=hardwood]

I have no idea what is happening in Eld but it doesn't sound nice. Considering they are both Jubilee, Uhuru and Ruto should intervene to calm the tension in the town. Its taking a very ugly tribal angle.


Relax. It's nothing. Mandago and a cabal of current MCAs want to maintain the status quo. Nandis are squarely behind Mandago. Keiyos, who are a minority, backed by non-Kalenjins, are backing Buzeki. It's a case of evil versus good but it will be over soon.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
AlphDoti
#1774 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:22:34 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
I have no idea what is happening in Eld but it doesn't sound nice. Considering they are both Jubilee, Uhuru and Ruto should intervene to calm the tension in the town. Its taking a very ugly tribal angle.

Relax. It's nothing. Mandago and a cabal of current MCAs want to maintain the status quo. Nandis are squarely behind Mandago. Keiyos, who are a minority, backed by non-Kalenjins, are backing Buzeki. It's a case of evil versus good but it will be over soon.

@guka stop lying. Have you left out the real tribe behind Bzki? I say WhatsApp group where they are saying he's their son-in-law? Could this be the real reason ? Shame on you Sad
Much Know
#1775 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:24:15 PM
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AlphDoti
#1776 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:25:14 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
WSR is his own worst enemy. He has managed to plant acolytes all over... Nairobi, Kiambu, Murang'a.........Yet his own backyard is rebelling against his choices. He needs to be extra careful. You cannot afford to keep making enemies at every turn and on every move.

Come to think of it, it could be the strategy... By showing that sth can erupt sends a warning to those who might be thinking of betraying him in 2022 by not scratching his back... Sad
hardwood
#1777 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:28:24 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
[quote=hardwood]

I have no idea what is happening in Eld but it doesn't sound nice. Considering they are both Jubilee, Uhuru and Ruto should intervene to calm the tension in the town. Its taking a very ugly tribal angle.


Relax. It's nothing. Mandago and a cabal of current MCAs want to maintain the status quo. Nandis are squarely behind Mandago. Keiyos, who are a minority, backed by non-Kalenjins, are backing Buzeki. It's a case of evil versus good but it will be over soon.


I thought eldoret/Uasin Gishu is very cosmopolitan being the 5th largest town in kenya with 3 universities, referral hospital, central bank, all major banks, industries etc etc. There must be thousands of immigrant workers. So why single out just one community...and talk to the others to vote for you?
Fyatu
#1778 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:49:37 PM
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Much Know wrote:


Did RAO use the word "Watermelon" in his 90 minutes interview? Who was he talking about? We all know DP Ruto was diehard "Green" and Uhuru was "Red". Did RAO contort his face immedietly after uttering this word?....watu hapa job ya Muhindi bado wanabishana kuhusu debate..mi sikuskia RAO akiongea hiyo maneno
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Wakanyugi
#1779 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:58:31 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
harrydre wrote:
The media debate Ltd is owned by a NASA sycophant. It was a set up glad UK missed, that's why the questions were favorable.


I am sure someone will obtain the details from the registrar of companies by the end of the day. I would be shocked if K24 failed to notice such a glaring blunder.

ION, Baba has received a very warm welcome in Runyenjes. Like I keep saying, they do not have to vote for him. But the fact that they are willing to sit and listen calmly to Raila is a big score for our growing democracy.


Yesnyewe Uhuru really messed up by not showing up last night. I wonder who advised him on this? If he losses this election, this will be traced to the day he showed the middle finger to Kenyans. I hope he does.

RAO on the other hand finally got his chance to look Presidential and really showed his statesmanship credentials. He even gave up easy opportunities to really hammer an absent Uhuru (I felt his take on corruption was rather tepid). But who can forget his spirited defense of both himself and Uhuru from the accusation that their families have captured Kenyan politics?

In my opinion his many miscues and problem with lighting actually humanized him, especially when he explained the genesis of his poor eyesight - detention. The Raila ogre that Jubilee have been desperately trying to paint was slain last night.

Will this turn the tide? I am doubtful. I still can't see RAO's path to dislodging the GEMA/Kalenjin voting juggernaut. But I believe he will come out of this competition the better man and his future as a respected senior statesman is largely made.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#1780 Posted : Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:01:01 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
harrydre wrote:
The media debate Ltd is owned by a NASA sycophant. It was a set up glad UK missed, that's why the questions were favorable.


I am sure someone will obtain the details from the registrar of companies by the end of the day. I would be shocked if K24 failed to notice such a glaring blunder.

ION, Baba has received a very warm welcome in Runyenjes. Like I keep saying, they do not have to vote for him. But the fact that they are willing to sit and listen calmly to Raila is a big score for our growing democracy.


Yesnyewe Uhuru really messed up by not showing up last night. I wonder who advised him on this? If he losses this election, this will be traced to the day he showed the middle finger to Kenyans. I hope he does.

RAO on the other hand finally got his chance to look Presidential and really showed his statesmanship credentials. He even gave up easy opportunities to really hammer an absent Uhuru (I felt his take on corruption was rather tepid). But who can forget his spirited defense of both himself and Uhuru from the accusation that their families have captured Kenyan politics?

In my opinion his many miscues and problem with lighting actually humanized him, especially when he explained the genesis of his poor eyesight - detention. The Raila ogre that Jubilee have been desperately trying to paint was slain last night.

Will this turn the tide? I am doubtful. I still can't see RAO's path to dislodging the GEMA/Kalenjin voting juggernaut. But I believe he will come out of this competition the better man and his future as a respected senior statesman is largely made.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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