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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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alma1 wrote:It's ok to twist and turn and start saying Raila was bad because he said this.
AT LEAST HE SHOWED UP
Uhuru has a habit of disappearing when needed by his people
Westgate, Garissa, Lamu, NYS, Doctor's Strike the currently going on Nurses strike
He seems to be very scared of Raira in public or is scared of having to prove to his supporters that there's anything he's done for the past 5 years? At last @alma1 has come out lucidly! He's masqueraded as a neutral not taking any side for a very long time. A Nyerian acting so boldly against muthamaki is rarity . Though it is likely while partaking his viceroy in the local, he is guarded and careful with his feelings. Seems like all this time he has been applying reverse psychology in his support for baba. A very unique and effective tactic. Unlike @FRM2011 who is doing it for a consideration, @alma has not told us what there is for him. But iko kitu 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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maka wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Raila can't put up 30 ,minutes standing, he is aged like Buhari of Nigeria who do not know what is happening in Nigeria
He will live on Chairwheel or stretchers!!!
Its ok.... If only that was true. Kifaki was wheelchair and he is still my all time president who delivered big time during his tenure! But what you love for your neighbour is for you...  
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Jump-steady wrote:alma1 wrote:It's ok to twist and turn and start saying Raila was bad because he said this.
AT LEAST HE SHOWED UP
Uhuru has a habit of disappearing when needed by his people
Westgate, Garissa, Lamu, NYS, Doctor's Strike the currently going on Nurses strike
He seems to be very scared of Raira in public or is scared of having to prove to his supporters that there's anything he's done for the past 5 years? At last @alma1 has come out lucidly! He's masqueraded as a neutral not taking any side for a very long time. A Nyerian acting so boldly against muthamaki is rarity . Though it is likely while partaking his viceroy in the local, he is guarded and careful with his feelings. Seems like all this time he has been applying reverse psychology in his support for baba. A very unique and effective tactic. Unlike @FRM2011 who is doing it for a consideration, @alma has not told us what there is for him. But iko kitu Pole sana. You trying to put me in a certain pot is not going to work.  But you can try. I've been very consistent. I would not vote for these two. 2 years before the election I have a thread about it on wazua. Go search. But if I was forced with a gun to vote, surely, as much as I disagree with Raila, he at least turns up when needed. So just to make it clear for you. It's a 50/50 chance that I vote for ANY candidate. From Wainaina, Raila, Aukot. It is a possibility. It can happen. As you say, I may have had some viceroy or something. But there is absolutely no way on this earth that I can vote for someone who does not turn up. I don't know why it's sooooo hard to grasp that. I have hired a lot of people in my life, and never ever ever have I hired someone who didn't show up for an interview. Obviously, he's happy with his current votes so he doesn't need mine. And I don't need to waste my time on him either. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Baratang wrote:hardwood wrote:Baratang wrote:Would Uhuru have gotten fair questioning if he had attended knowing far too well that the two fellows Linus and Joe are ODM members. Just asking for a friend. Interesting because Joe Ageyo is current employed by NASA in the PR team. Precisely. And Linus at some not distant past vied for an elective post some place in Kilgoris on an ODM ticket. Uhuru was clever not to attend. I would have done the same thing. Sigh... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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sheri wrote:maka wrote:sheri wrote:I am disappointed UK didn't turn up. But that's now cannot be undone. But I believe this is one election which is issue based.In mashinani people are now asking questions. What did he do as an MCA? MP? or Governor. In Kiambu for instance, although there was a lot of propaganda people are disappointed with poor service delivery Vs the county government levies. As for yesterday's presidential debate RAO did extremely well. But the issues he need to conclusively deal with and try to navigate is the "rent issue" and land issue. It might be his waterloo. Finally something being whispered in low tones is his religious leaning? where does he stand? That another small movement iko chini ya maji but is gaining traction with the Christians. For the other DR's and Professors AKA wenye kutafuta mbuzi they can join their comrades in lecture halls and give the much needed knowledge to our young generation. Kenya doesn't need theorists. I ENJOYED THE DEBATE @Sheri whats the issue with rent again? Am not getting the problem. He is Agnostic...Christians in this country have been some of the worst pretenders. @People on the ground are not getting his rationale on reducing rent to manageable levels. The question being " does Baba has his own houses so as to promise to reduce rent. The tenants are getting it very clearly, you just don't want to see their point of view "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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alma1 wrote:Amores wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Musimo wrote:
For some, they have all to gain/lose. I have relatives who lived in Kibera (Ayany), 2007. They became IDPs that election. Where my parents live, they also had to organize something as the drums of war came out from the man on stage today. So yes, everyone has all to gain/lose. If he says he would accept results as they are, people will not lose sleep on whoever is the next president. The drums of war currently being played have changed the landscape completely.
And yet, our brother's posts here are full of hate for Rao the man. How does that make it better for all of us ? I am in several NASA whatsapp groups. You can imagine the kind of memes I receive daily. Most are offensive. You should see the ones guys are sharing now why Uhuru missed the debate. I never forward them to anyone. I have never posted any here on Wazua. If we disconnect from our political choices emotionally, and simply make a rational choice on 8.8.17, we shall have a great country regardless of who wins. We owe it to the next generation.My prediction. By 2032, guys will be laughing hearing that at some point, we used to fight because of elections. He has refused to say that he will accept the results. His stand seems to be,he will accept if he wins.At FRM, its contradictory to say the country will be great regardless of who wins. That's doesn't make sense since the choice is between stories (Raila) and progress (UK). Amores you are lying. Unfortunately only lying to yourself. He said the total opposite of what you have just said. Go repeat the whole 90 minutes to get the right quote. This type of lying is what is bringing problems and tensions to this country. I wonder who it serves. @Amores you can lie like that with a straight face? IN fact when I read your statement I wondered did you really watch the whole session? Please respect truth...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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freiks wrote:kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:In the debate, when asked about his housing policy, baba attacked "greedy" landlords and said he will bring down rents. Rents will be strictly controlled by government. Googles galore! He said he would apply the relevant legislation.He actually dealt more on the 'Slum lords' For 25 years what did he do in kibera, today along railway line i see decent low cost housing built during UK tenure that is less than 4 years, he speaks but i dont think it is translated to reality You should know that an MP during the Moi era had the same influence as the cattle dip chairman. Be ready for the change! Ucio uthamaki ni uikare! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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maka wrote:Baratang wrote:hardwood wrote:Baratang wrote:Would Uhuru have gotten fair questioning if he had attended knowing far too well that the two fellows Linus and Joe are ODM members. Just asking for a friend. Interesting because Joe Ageyo is current employed by NASA in the PR team. Precisely. And Linus at some not distant past vied for an elective post some place in Kilgoris on an ODM ticket. Uhuru was clever not to attend. I would have done the same thing. Sigh... That is why they never asked him serious questions eg his proposal to invade ranches.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:In the debate, when asked about his housing policy, baba attacked "greedy" landlords and said he will bring down rents. Rents will be strictly controlled by government. Googles galore! He said he would apply the relevant legislation.He actually dealt more on the 'Slum lords' Another lie from a friend of @amores... I'm reading through last night posts. @hardwood how can a learned person speak white lies!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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AlphDoti wrote:kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:In the debate, when asked about his housing policy, baba attacked "greedy" landlords and said he will bring down rents. Rents will be strictly controlled by government. Googles galore! He said he would apply the relevant legislation.He actually dealt more on the 'Slum lords' Another lie from a friend of @amores... I'm reading through last night posts. @hardwood how can a learned person speak white lies! The problem with Jubilee bloggers, they lie tooooo much and end up confusing their own supporters. I believe Amores is not their blogger but has been lied to by the fb broggers. As for hardwood what we need to do is give him a portal. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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I commend baba for showing up and putting up a good show, he performed way above my expectations. I understand why UK did not show up, as an incumbent it's never a good idea to debate your opponents unless you are guaranteed of a win like M7. I still think UK would have done well enough to sway some undecided his way. All-in-all, the verdict will be on 8th August. May the best man win.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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I salute the jubilee supporters who are honest enough to say Uhuru should have showed up. Especially after giving the impression yesterday that he would show.
Going through the social media timelines of the most vocal jubilee supporters, they are facing a restless support base that feels Uhuru let them down.
This morning, Pauline Njoroge has come up with a new spin that Baba had been prepped by Joe ageyo on the questions to be asked. She also claims Debates Ltd is owned by Catherine Openda who is NASA's communications director.
To be honest, I don't have evidence to counter her allegations but I doubt the several media houses including K24 would make such a serious blunder.
My take. Like @bigchick and @murchr said, its unlikely that Uhuru's core supporters shifted sides because of the debate. However, like @alma has been saying from yesterday, the situation in kisii, Nyamira and Narok may be different.
And most importantly, Uhuru's absence meant Baba could have said anything and gotten away with it.
ION, Baba is back to Tharaka and Meru counties. Uhuru to tour 24 counties in 12 days.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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The media debate Ltd is owned by a NASA sycophant. It was a set up glad UK missed, that's why the questions were favorable. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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harrydre wrote:The media debate Ltd is owned by a NASA sycophant. It was a set up glad UK missed, that's why the questions were favorable. Rink? I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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thuks wrote:harrydre wrote:The media debate Ltd is owned by a NASA sycophant. It was a set up glad UK missed, that's why the questions were favorable. Rink? Catherine Openda owns the company. Pamba already had the questions. It was a set up to ' finish' UMK! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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harrydre wrote:The media debate Ltd is owned by a NASA sycophant. It was a set up glad UK missed, that's why the questions were favorable. I am sure someone will obtain the details from the registrar of companies by the end of the day. I would be shocked if K24 failed to notice such a glaring blunder. ION, Baba has received a very warm welcome in Runyenjes. Like I keep saying, they do not have to vote for him. But the fact that they are willing to sit and listen calmly to Raila is a big score for our growing democracy.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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maka wrote:Baratang wrote:hardwood wrote:Baratang wrote:Would Uhuru have gotten fair questioning if he had attended knowing far too well that the two fellows Linus and Joe are ODM members. Just asking for a friend. Interesting because Joe Ageyo is current employed by NASA in the PR team. Precisely. And Linus at some not distant past vied for an elective post some place in Kilgoris on an ODM ticket. Uhuru was clever not to attend. I would have done the same thing. Sigh... Actually, I asked myself the question of why Linus had to be an interviewer. I don't know about Joe(Joho) Ageyo but Linus is a bit off
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/9/2012 Posts: 576
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sheri wrote:maka wrote:sheri wrote:I am disappointed UK didn't turn up. But that's now cannot be undone. But I believe this is one election which is issue based.In mashinani people are now asking questions. What did he do as an MCA? MP? or Governor. In Kiambu for instance, although there was a lot of propaganda people are disappointed with poor service delivery Vs the county government levies. As for yesterday's presidential debate RAO did extremely well. But the issues he need to conclusively deal with and try to navigate is the "rent issue" and land issue. It might be his waterloo. Finally something being whispered in low tones is his religious leaning? where does he stand? That another small movement iko chini ya maji but is gaining traction with the Christians. For the other DR's and Professors AKA wenye kutafuta mbuzi they can join their comrades in lecture halls and give the much needed knowledge to our young generation. Kenya doesn't need theorists. I ENJOYED THE DEBATE @Sheri whats the issue with rent again? Am not getting the problem. He is Agnostic...Christians in this country have been some of the worst pretenders. @People on the ground are not getting his rationale on reducing rent to manageable levels. The question being " does Baba has his own houses so as to promise to reduce rent. The tenants are getting it very clearly, you just don't want to see their point of view A guy living in a slum in Nairobi who has not managed to get rent for August or has had to work hard to get that money,in a ballot booth with a choice between RAO and Uk,inside there alone,RAO words will echo in his head and TICK! The more the reason Uhuru should have showed up to provide counter argument. Africa belongs to Africans.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
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2012 wrote:I commend baba for showing up and putting up a good show, he performed way above my expectations.
I understand why UK did not show up, as an incumbent it's never a good idea to debate your opponents unless you are guaranteed of a win like M7. I still think UK would have done well enough to sway some undecided his way.
All-in-all, the verdict will be on 8th August. May the best man win. True, i really liked the way Raira handled the "kimundu" e.t.c with humor, lik a gentleman, a conciliatory approach unlike the boring, humorless odomos in wazua who whine and yell to admin about such simple jokes, he copied Uhuru charming style and maybe outdid him, very competently erasing a lot of the Raira phobia which makes people wake up at 6am to vote against him. He even painted the Kenyattas as the ones who eat with family members in garment and his family keeps off, wah! No need arguing that this was a major coup for Raira, he did very well, he was lucky, i congratulate him.  Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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maka wrote:
He is Agnostic...Christians in this country have been some of the worst pretenders.
Stop lying!! Raila is not agnostic. He's a Christian. An Anglican. Non believers are good people. They believe you can be good enough on your own. The Christian on the other hand believes only God's goodness and grace can make him good. So who is the pretender here? He was baptised as an Anglican(from his father's memoirs) and later by Owuor 
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