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Ericsson
#871 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2018 4:41:19 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Seles83 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
Kunyolewa tu bila sabuni! 10.949%


Better than parking your morning earning no interests at all..

Currently Bonds/Tbills offer better return than dividend yields (or even forcasted) of blue chips companies.


Blue chip companies have capital gains/share appreciation also



I can't count on capital gains, I treat my stocks just my houses....I look at rent or dividends....the rest is Hali ya Hewa..


Share price follows the dividends
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Taurrus
#872 Posted : Friday, June 08, 2018 7:49:40 PM
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Joined: 8/25/2015
Posts: 839
Location: Kite
Seles83 wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
Kunyolewa tu bila sabuni! 10.949%


Better than parking your morning earning no interests at all..

Currently Bonds/Tbills offer better return than dividend yields (or even forcasted) of blue chips companies.


True! but they are cutting big chunks from the loaf!
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VituVingiSana
#873 Posted : Saturday, June 09, 2018 1:16:51 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
Kunyolewa tu bila sabuni! 10.949%


Better than parking your morning earning no interests at all..

Currently Bonds/Tbills offer better return than dividend yields (or even forcasted) of blue chips companies.


Blue chip companies have capital gains/share appreciation also



I can't count on capital gains, I treat my stocks just my houses....I look at rent or dividends....the rest is Hali ya Hewa..


Share price follows the dividends

What are zero dividend yielding Berkshire Hathaway shares trading at?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana
#874 Posted : Saturday, June 09, 2018 1:20:18 PM
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Posts: 18,347
Location: Nairobi
Taurrus wrote:
winmak wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
winmak wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
Chaka wrote:
Lakini wengine wamepona..
Taurrus wrote:
Leo tumeumia T-BILLS 11.271%!



Short term way to go now!Sad


But 7.95 for 90 days is low (net of 6.76 less WHT)... Some local banks offering 10% with the added ease of liquidating to your current account in case u need the cash...


More information @winmak please


Walk into any Faulu with a million plus or Postbank

I have one at 12% and another At 11%


Faulu changed after the capping of interest
Who owns Faulu? Is it safe? Who regulates it? If they pay 12%, what do they lend out at?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Ericsson
#875 Posted : Sunday, June 10, 2018 8:00:13 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
Kunyolewa tu bila sabuni! 10.949%


Better than parking your morning earning no interests at all..

Currently Bonds/Tbills offer better return than dividend yields (or even forcasted) of blue chips companies.


Blue chip companies have capital gains/share appreciation also



I can't count on capital gains, I treat my stocks just my houses....I look at rent or dividends....the rest is Hali ya Hewa..


Share price follows the dividends

What are zero dividend yielding Berkshire Hathaway shares trading at?


This is not America.
In America a company with a string of losses like Tesla still trades at extremely high PEs.
In kenya such companies are getting a thorough beating.
So quoting American companies using kenyan context will mislead you.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Seles83
#876 Posted : Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:57:32 PM
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Joined: 11/9/2007
Posts: 288
Location: OZ
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
Kunyolewa tu bila sabuni! 10.949%


Better than parking your morning earning no interests at all..

Currently Bonds/Tbills offer better return than dividend yields (or even forcasted) of blue chips companies.


Blue chip companies have capital gains/share appreciation also



I can't count on capital gains, I treat my stocks just my houses....I look at rent or dividends....the rest is Hali ya Hewa..


Share price follows the dividends

What are zero dividend yielding Berkshire Hathaway shares trading at?


I only put my monies in blue chips stocks with entry dividend yield of more 7.5%, I buy when the market is depressed. If the banks does not pay dividends which is rare I am stuffed, but they do i just assumed they are another house i bought....

Once the dividend yield is no longer attractive, i swap the cash to real estate for the same deal.

P.S. I love income more than capital gains, i can count on income any day but not capital gains.

More monies, more problems...
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Impunity
#877 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2018 1:20:01 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
VituVingiSana wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
winmak wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
winmak wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
Chaka wrote:
Lakini wengine wamepona..
Taurrus wrote:
Leo tumeumia T-BILLS 11.271%!



Short term way to go now!Sad


But 7.95 for 90 days is low (net of 6.76 less WHT)... Some local banks offering 10% with the added ease of liquidating to your current account in case u need the cash...


More information @winmak please


Walk into any Faulu with a million plus or Postbank

I have one at 12% and another At 11%


Faulu changed after the capping of interest
Who owns Faulu? Is it safe? Who regulates it? If they pay 12%, what do they lend out at?


Post Bank even with 20M they won't give you 12%...so much NAY cash around....they can give may be 9% for your meager 1M
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Ericsson
#878 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2018 11:46:51 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
Seles83 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
Kunyolewa tu bila sabuni! 10.949%


Better than parking your morning earning no interests at all..

Currently Bonds/Tbills offer better return than dividend yields (or even forcasted) of blue chips companies.


Blue chip companies have capital gains/share appreciation also



I can't count on capital gains, I treat my stocks just my houses....I look at rent or dividends....the rest is Hali ya Hewa..


Share price follows the dividends

What are zero dividend yielding Berkshire Hathaway shares trading at?


I only put my monies in blue chips stocks with entry dividend yield of more 7.5%, I buy when the market is depressed. If the banks does not pay dividends which is rare I am stuffed, but they do i just assumed they are another house i bought....

Once the dividend yield is no longer attractive, i swap the cash to real estate for the same deal.

P.S. I love income more than capital gains, i can count on income any day but not capital gains.


NSE trades at a dividend yield of 3.7%, consistent with the historical average of 3.7%.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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aemathenge
#879 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2018 3:41:55 PM
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Joined: 10/18/2008
Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
Citizens of the Virtual Republic of Wazua who understand Bonds and their market, kindly explain to me (us) lesser mortals what “Front Running” is in the Bond Market.

I tried Google researching but all I am getting is a lot of many English.

According to an article in the Kenyan Wall Street, somebody made Kshs. 260 million between Njaanuary 2016 and June 2017, just like that, using “Front Running”.

He was apparently aided and abetted by two dealers, one at CBA Capital and the other at Africa Investment Bank.

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The Capital Markets Authority (CMA) is investigating bond trades carried out by a Kenyan businessman between January 2016 and June 2017.

According to whistle-blowers, the businessman is alleged to have been working with “approved dealers and licensed brokers to commit market abuse by front-running” Treasury Bonds investors, resulting in gains to the conspirators and losses to the investors.

“Front-running is dual trading and a type of insider trading which involves the use of privileged knowledge of customers’ orders to buy and sell, in the hands of licensed brokers and its dealers, to trade their own account ahead of customers gain.”

The dual trading resulted in gains of about Sh260 million with Sh110 million of the amount being transferred to two dealers of CBA Capital and Africa Investment Bank.

“The Businessman” told the CMA during a meeting that during the aforementioned period, he was providing dealers of licensed brokers with loans “which facilitated the dual trading and he will henceforth stop giving loans.”

Additionally, he said the two are his partners in a construction business.
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Chaka
#880 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2018 7:33:19 PM
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Joined: 2/16/2007
Posts: 2,114
Whatever that "Front Running" is,how much did the businessman "invest"to make that profit?There was another guy at a Tsavo Securities who also benefited unfairly from bonds a few years ago and got fined and banned from trading.What was his crime?

aemathenge wrote:
Citizens of the Virtual Republic of Wazua who understand Bonds and their market, kindly explain to me (us) lesser mortals what “Front Running” is in the Bond Market.
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