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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Amores wrote:alma1 wrote:Amores wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Musimo wrote:
For some, they have all to gain/lose. I have relatives who lived in Kibera (Ayany), 2007. They became IDPs that election. Where my parents live, they also had to organize something as the drums of war came out from the man on stage today. So yes, everyone has all to gain/lose. If he says he would accept results as they are, people will not lose sleep on whoever is the next president. The drums of war currently being played have changed the landscape completely.
And yet, our brother's posts here are full of hate for Rao the man. How does that make it better for all of us ? I am in several NASA whatsapp groups. You can imagine the kind of memes I receive daily. Most are offensive. You should see the ones guys are sharing now why Uhuru missed the debate. I never forward them to anyone. I have never posted any here on Wazua. If we disconnect from our political choices emotionally, and simply make a rational choice on 8.8.17, we shall have a great country regardless of who wins. We owe it to the next generation.My prediction. By 2032, guys will be laughing hearing that at some point, we used to fight because of elections. He has refused to say that he will accept the results. His stand seems to be,he will accept if he wins.At FRM, its contradictory to say the country will be great regardless of who wins. That's doesn't make sense since the choice is between stories (Raila) and progress (UK). Amores you are lying. Unfortunately only lying to yourself. He said the total opposite of what you have just said. Go repeat the whole 90 minutes to get the right quote. This type of lying is what is bringing problems and tensions to this country. I wonder who it serves. I was not referring to the debate,I didn't watch it,was referring to his previous utterances and those of his liutenants. I saw a tweet from ODM account that " the only outcome of a free and fair election is a NASA win" Pole I had understood you wrong. Just goes to show you how important that debate was. All of a sudden people who saw it, don't believe he's such a war monger after all. Just go read some of the Jubilee bloggers walls. People who otherwise vote Uhuru weren't impressed by the no show. It speaks more volumes than whatever was said. Sad day indeed for Kenya when the president is scared of his own track record. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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@ alma,no worries. Personally,I don't spread falsehoods,neither do I hate Raila,I am just an innocent Uhuru supporter  It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up. @liv is an insider,he should tell us what the logic was He will still be President,debates change few,for example,they drew votes for jean Melechon in France. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Amores wrote:It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up.
There was no commitment from Uhuru about appearing. The media advertised and sold a lie. However he should have sent out a statement saying he did not commit to a debate. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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murchr wrote:Amores wrote:It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up.
There was no commitment from Uhuru about appearing. T he media advertised and sold a lie. However he should have sent out a statement saying he did not commit to a debate. Yeah,he should have. I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Amores wrote:murchr wrote:Amores wrote:It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up.
There was no commitment from Uhuru about appearing. T he media advertised and sold a lie. However he should have sent out a statement saying he did not commit to a debate. Yeah,he should have. Murchr you are a political buff. You know the Jubilee strategy. They know they can't win with only central and north rift votes so they have camped in coast, western and kisii trying to get some meat off that bone. That is why they have spent months in the coast. Unfortunately, all that went to waste in 90 minutes. By not showing up, ohhh boy. If the Jubilee voters are moaning and crying in the blogs, what do you think the voter is thinking in Narok. Raila spent a whole 10 minutes talking to the Masai. Alone with no question or disagreement. I think you guys are joking. True votes in central may not change much. However, I know of 3 voters who won't show up on d-day already. Poor politics will send Uhuru home. If I were Nasa all I would say in rallies is. Uhuru ni muoga na ana dhania nyinyi ni wajinga. Then follow Uhuru every county he goes to. Sorry Murchr, even Trump screaming how the media is biased showed up when required. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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alma1 wrote:Amores wrote:murchr wrote:Amores wrote:It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up.
There was no commitment from Uhuru about appearing. T he media advertised and sold a lie. However he should have sent out a statement saying he did not commit to a debate. Yeah,he should have. Murchr you are a political buff. You know the Jubilee strategy. They know they can't win with only central and north rift votes so they have camped in coast, western and kisii trying to get some meat off that bone. That is why they have spent months in the coast. Unfortunately, all that went to waste in 90 minutes. By not showing up, ohhh boy. If the Jubilee voters are moaning and crying in the blogs, what do you think the voter is thinking in Narok. Raila spent a whole 10 minutes talking to the Masai. Alone with no question or disagreement. I think you guys are joking. True votes in central may not change much. However, I know of 3 voters who won't show up on d-day already. Poor politics will send Uhuru home. If I were Nasa all I would say in rallies is. Uhuru ni muoga na ana dhania nyinyi ni wajinga. Then follow Uhuru every county he goes to. Sorry Murchr, even Trump screaming how the media is biased showed up when required. How different would it have been if both had skipped like the running mates' debate?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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Amores wrote:@ alma,no worries. Personally,I don't spread falsehoods,neither do I hate Raila,I am just an innocent Uhuru supporter It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up. @liv is an insider,he should tell us what the logic was He will still be President,debates change few,for example,they drew votes for jean Melechon in France.
I was also disappointed that he did not show up or state clearly that he was not participating. Many people were expecting him to attend and he should have sent word during the day that he was not interested instead of letting the media set him up the way they did.
In 2013 I was in contact with key insiders of TNA compaign team.... But I don't know what is happening in 2017. In fact early this year I like many other people who have been Jubilee supporters were indifferent about who between Uhuru and Raila would become the president .... And there was a lot of apathy from mt Kenya region if you can remember. But the events of the recent past, the court cases against IEBC, the war mongering from NASA followers, the ultimatums from NASA, etc including ....like 41 against 2 on social media..... have resulted in very hardened positions and we are almost back to 2013 where siege mentality has set in .... This ensured high voter turnout. It is not about who can run the country better anymore or who has better ideas.....but who must not be allowed to win in the coming elections now. Unfortunately today's statemanly tone from RAO might not change that feeling on the ground.....too little too late... In some villages no business will be conducted unless you've prove that you've voted on 8th August.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Why all the hullabaloo? The president stated ages ago that he won't be participating in the debate but rather will hold a town hall style meeting. Have all these wazuans that are angry that he didn't turn up been living in a hole so they missed the memo?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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hardwood wrote:Why all the hullabaloo? The president stated ages ago that he won't be participating in the debate but rather will hold a town hall style meeting. Have all these wazuans that are angry that he didn't turn up been living in a hole so they missed the memo? when is the town hall? I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Lolest! wrote:alma1 wrote:Amores wrote:murchr wrote:Amores wrote:It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up.
There was no commitment from Uhuru about appearing. T he media advertised and sold a lie. However he should have sent out a statement saying he did not commit to a debate. Yeah,he should have. Murchr you are a political buff. You know the Jubilee strategy. They know they can't win with only central and north rift votes so they have camped in coast, western and kisii trying to get some meat off that bone. That is why they have spent months in the coast. Unfortunately, all that went to waste in 90 minutes. By not showing up, ohhh boy. If the Jubilee voters are moaning and crying in the blogs, what do you think the voter is thinking in Narok. Raila spent a whole 10 minutes talking to the Masai. Alone with no question or disagreement. I think you guys are joking. True votes in central may not change much. However, I know of 3 voters who won't show up on d-day already. Poor politics will send Uhuru home. If I were Nasa all I would say in rallies is. Uhuru ni muoga na ana dhania nyinyi ni wajinga. Then follow Uhuru every county he goes to. Sorry Murchr, even Trump screaming how the media is biased showed up when required. How different would it have been if both had skipped a la the running mates' debate? If both had not turned up, it is only Alma who would have been complaining like the last DP debate. No loss to anyone. You have to wonder if Jubilee wasn't suckered into believing Raila wouldn't show up. Raila did say he has moles in Jubilee. Carter was cruising to win the presidency against Regan, he was a no show. He lost Bigly. Clinton was a nobody until Bush had his too busy to debate moment and Bush lost Bigly. I honestly and seriously wonder how much damage Uhuru has done to his campaign in areas not in Central. Even in Bomet, you can be sure Rutto shall milk this no show. The Narok vote was pretty much up for grabs. You don't want to see the posts from the region on FB. It shows a trend When you need Uhuru to show up, he's either in Bahrain or something. As for Hardwood. I don't know why you like misguiding the president. No one wants to see a town hall. Even Raila shall hold his own. What is important is that Uhuru told Raila to stop talking about Matiangi and face him as a man. When the man showed up, Uhuru was not there. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/27/2016 Posts: 274 Location: Pub
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Lets assume this election goes to rerun (lack of 50 +1) (by 1% or less than a 1%) Don't you think Uhuru will blame himself for such an opportunity that he took for granted among other reasons. In my own opinion, Uhuru will win this election but not showing up may either make some of his voters lazy hence affecting the turnout. You never know it may contribute to a rerun. That means Uhuru will have to work extra hard because of taking such an opportunity for granted!! I work so I can afford the amount of alcohol required to continue going to work
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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alma1 wrote:Amores wrote:murchr wrote:Amores wrote:It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up.
There was no commitment from Uhuru about appearing. T he media advertised and sold a lie. However he should have sent out a statement saying he did not commit to a debate. Yeah,he should have. Murchr you are a political buff. You know the Jubilee strategy. They know they can't win with only central and north rift votes so they have camped in coast, western and kisii trying to get some meat off that bone. That is why they have spent months in the coast. Unfortunately, all that went to waste in 90 minutes. By not showing up, ohhh boy. If the Jubilee voters are moaning and crying in the blogs, what do you think the voter is thinking in Narok. Raila spent a whole 10 minutes talking to the Masai. Alone with no question or disagreement. I think you guys are joking. True votes in central may not change much. However, I know of 3 voters who won't show up on d-day already. Poor politics will send Uhuru home. If I were Nasa all I would say in rallies is. Uhuru ni muoga na ana dhania nyinyi ni wajinga. Then follow Uhuru every county he goes to. Sorry Murchr, even Trump screaming how the media is biased showed up when required. I highly doubt this would yield much,Kenyans are emotional.To be honest,2 days from today,this debate will not matter,people made noise about the VP debate,and we all forgot that Kalonzo didn't attend. Even those 3 votes, they will come back home thihihi!! In my view,I think Uhuru should have attended, largely symbolic I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Liv wrote:Amores wrote:@ alma,no worries. Personally,I don't spread falsehoods,neither do I hate Raila,I am just an innocent Uhuru supporter It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up. @liv is an insider,he should tell us what the logic was He will still be President,debates change few,for example,they drew votes for jean Melechon in France.
I was also disappointed that he did not show up or state clearly that he was not participating. Many people were expecting him to attend and he should have sent word during the day that he was not interested instead of letting the media set him up the way they did.
In 2013 I was in contact with key insiders of TNA compaign team.... But I don't know what is happening in 2017. In fact early this year I like many other people who have been Jubilee supporters were indifferent about who between Uhuru and Raila would become the president .... And there was a lot of apathy from mt Kenya region if you can remember. But the events of the recent past, the court cases against IEBC, the war mongering from NASA followers, the ultimatums from NASA, etc including ....like 41 against 2 on social media..... have resulted in very hardened positions and we are almost back to 2013 where siege mentality has set in .... This ensured high voter turnout. It is not about who can run the country better anymore or who has better ideas.....but who must not be allowed to win in the coming elections now. Unfortunately today's statemanly tone from RAO might not change that feeling on the ground.....too little too late... In some villages no business will be conducted unless you've prove that you've voted on 8th August. I didn't know there was indifference,maybe because I am rarely in Kenya,i just know i was / i am disappointed about corruption; other than that, I congratulate UK for the progress. Endeni mpigie kijana Kura I am happy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Amores wrote:alma1 wrote:Amores wrote:murchr wrote:Amores wrote:It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up.
There was no commitment from Uhuru about appearing. T he media advertised and sold a lie. However he should have sent out a statement saying he did not commit to a debate. Yeah,he should have. Murchr you are a political buff. You know the Jubilee strategy. They know they can't win with only central and north rift votes so they have camped in coast, western and kisii trying to get some meat off that bone. That is why they have spent months in the coast. Unfortunately, all that went to waste in 90 minutes. By not showing up, ohhh boy. If the Jubilee voters are moaning and crying in the blogs, what do you think the voter is thinking in Narok. Raila spent a whole 10 minutes talking to the Masai. Alone with no question or disagreement. I think you guys are joking. True votes in central may not change much. However, I know of 3 voters who won't show up on d-day already. Poor politics will send Uhuru home. If I were Nasa all I would say in rallies is. Uhuru ni muoga na ana dhania nyinyi ni wajinga. Then follow Uhuru every county he goes to. Sorry Murchr, even Trump screaming how the media is biased showed up when required. I highly doubt this would yield much,Kenyans are emotional.To be honest,2 days from today,this debate will not matter,people made noise about the VP debate,and we all forgot that Kalonzo didn't attend. Even those 3 votes, they will come back home thihihi!! In my view,I think Uhuru should have attended, largely symbolic Am glad I didn't have to answer alma. But trust me on 8/8 no one will remember that debate. Although even the questions asked did a disservice to Babu "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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Amores wrote:Liv wrote:Amores wrote:@ alma,no worries. Personally,I don't spread falsehoods,neither do I hate Raila,I am just an innocent Uhuru supporter It seems this was a miscalculation from the President. He has a very good track record,so he should have showed up. @liv is an insider,he should tell us what the logic was He will still be President,debates change few,for example,they drew votes for jean Melechon in France.
I was also disappointed that he did not show up or state clearly that he was not participating. Many people were expecting him to attend and he should have sent word during the day that he was not interested instead of letting the media set him up the way they did.
In 2013 I was in contact with key insiders of TNA compaign team.... But I don't know what is happening in 2017. In fact early this year I like many other people who have been Jubilee supporters were indifferent about who between Uhuru and Raila would become the president .... And there was a lot of apathy from mt Kenya region if you can remember. But the events of the recent past, the court cases against IEBC, the war mongering from NASA followers, the ultimatums from NASA, etc including ....like 41 against 2 on social media..... have resulted in very hardened positions and we are almost back to 2013 where siege mentality has set in .... This ensured high voter turnout. It is not about who can run the country better anymore or who has better ideas.....but who must not be allowed to win in the coming elections now. Unfortunately today's statemanly tone from RAO might not change that feeling on the ground.....too little too late... In some villages no business will be conducted unless you've prove that you've voted on 8th August. I didn't know there was indifference,maybe because I am rarely in Kenya,i just know i was / i am disappointed about corruption; other than that, I congratulate UK for the progress. Endeni mpigie kijana Kura
I am confident he will win. The mt kenya region communities spread across kenya are about 34% of the total vote. The Kalenjin vote across Kenya is about 15%. These two communities turnout rate has been the highest in previous elections and there is no reason why that might not be repeated. The loss of those who might vote for NASA from these communities will be more than compensated by other communities like Somali, Kamba masaai, Mijikenda, Kisii,etc.
It will be an uphill task for RAO to beat Uhuru.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Nyef nyef..debate or no debate. UK Ruto will floor pamba by 9am. We are ready to retire mzee baba. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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hardwood wrote:Hahaha...uhuruto were enjoying the debate..   desperation nayo! i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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The president was busy meeting samburu leaders and elders to sort the chaos in laikipia. He then went to open Isiolo international airport. After all he had stated clearly that he won't be attending that stupid debate organised by the greedy and rogue media. Also note that presidents in kenya aren't elected via debates otherwise Dida or Karua could be presidents. And also politics, like love, are matters of the heart and voters have decided and tv debates won't change voters minds.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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harrydre wrote:hardwood wrote:Hahaha...uhuruto were enjoying the debate.. desperation nayo! That was in Isiolo after opening the Isiolo International airport and also campaigning in the region, then decided to see what jamaa wa kitendawili was saying.
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