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smallfama
#1231 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 3:54:14 PM
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This Mumias will be another KMC. Always begging for money from Govt. It's funny how private companies are able to compete in this sector yet all parastatals are crying to the govt for cash and after getting it the managers hire their kins without any thoughts. This is a classic example why govt shouldn't involve itself in running of businesses...it should only be in critical sectors such as energy
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streetwise
#1232 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:02:43 PM
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Let me ask you a partnet question. Every one complaints loacal sugar is expesive and it is true MSC is.

MSC retails at a mergin higher than other brands yet the shoppers prefer the more expesive MSC . What doe this tell you
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Mucene
#1233 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:07:57 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Kausha wrote:
Rollout wrote:
PE should buy Mumias for 60% discount, what's the current EBITDA for Mumias, anyone knows? Buy Mumias at 60% discount, institute new management, file bankruptcy, turn it around and then exit in approx 5 yrs. GOK will not be able to fix it.

Describe what disc you are talking about. Mumias has no EBITDA. Been making huges loses past 3 years.


It's math! Even a negative valuation with still have a discount, the EBITDA could be negative but Mumia value is not negative.
Without GoK support, subsidies and bailout, MSC is bankrupt.


Negative value is when liabilities>assets, I haven’t crunched the numbers for mumias but based on the reports available if its not at negative value currently then its very close to it.


MSC has a NAV of 6.96/= (2013 - 10.2/=), so it still has value but the losses are reducing it very fast.

The major problem with MSC is its ability to generate cash, hence its liquidity,considering it only generated Shs 801m from operations and has a current ratio of 0.41. Its production efficiency also needs to improve a lot since it has a gross profit margin of 6.49% (2013 - 13.06%).

But again am talking of a company with no fraud and corruption issues here. Put those into perspective and consider the fact the management still thinks its ERP system is very strong, then only the statement of NAV holds. It could be efficient in production but but margins are reduced by diverted products which account for cost of sales but no actual sales to be booked.
If you don't want to go to plan B have a good plan A.
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VituVingiSana
#1234 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:21:52 PM
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@mucene - If the NAV was 7/- [30 June 2014] then it has been eroded rapidly since. I doubt the 1H 2014-15 results will show a profit. KPLC is demanding a huge payment [Capacity Charge] from Mumias. If KPLC took Mumias to court then that would be another black mark. Add the accumulated interest from the lenders since June 2014 as well.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Mucene
#1235 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:55:30 PM
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@VituVingiSana: MSC will definitely show a loss in the 1H14-15 results, so the NAV will be eroded further, lets wait and see what the current actions we're seeing in the media that the management are undertaking to stem fraud will do to the financials ama its all talk.
If you don't want to go to plan B have a good plan A.
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Aguytrying
#1236 Posted : Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:50:00 PM
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we even have examples. HFCK and KCB had similar problems, Gov stake reduced (hfck 3.6%). The problem went away. that's the ONLY solution for mumias.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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streetwise
#1237 Posted : Friday, February 13, 2015 8:30:48 AM
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Let the Gova clear the debts then go away. The benefit is the Gv will sells their stake and make some money, the co will be left alive and the fellow who took the risk will become rich. This is the only way to produce all winners.
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HaMaina
#1238 Posted : Friday, February 13, 2015 8:49:34 AM
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Now this is what should have happened long ago.

DPP Keriako Tobiko now weighs in on Mumias Sugar scandal probe

http://www.standardmedia...as-sugar-scandal-probe/
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Njung'e
#1239 Posted : Friday, February 13, 2015 10:34:29 AM
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@Mawinder,
Who are the other 12 suspected thieves?
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#1240 Posted : Friday, February 13, 2015 2:19:53 PM
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Bullish breakout in January,exit volume of 81.95M shares, at a record high 0f 3.85. Entry volume of 60.09M (smart money) was in November. Currently trading below SMA(20)2.977

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HaMaina
#1241 Posted : Friday, February 13, 2015 4:28:06 PM
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I wish all those on this ship all the best, lets see what the new week shall hold. ( ps & remember to enjoy responsibly )
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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HaMaina
#1242 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:41:36 PM
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I like "Just Jannes " comment at the bottom of the page.

http://www.businessdaily...50/-/y99xmp/-/index.html
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
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Njung'e
#1243 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:20:29 PM
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[quote=HaMaina]I like "Just Jannes " comment at the bottom of the page.

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/y99xmp/-/index.html[/quote]

He better shut up!!.....They will still corner him and he will pay for his thieving ways.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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dunkang
#1244 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:34:33 PM
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Think just KILLED me!


XI. ............... It is instructive that this board has increased the chairman’s stipend to KShs450,000 per month and the MD’s salary to KShs2 million per month. Board members collect sitting allowance of KShs45,000 per sitting per member. They sit almost everyday. It is not difficult to tell what ails MSC.

WOLOLO MAYOOOOOOOOOOO......!

KES 45,000 everyday!?
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

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Othelo
#1245 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:35:39 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
[quote=HaMaina]I like "Just Jannes " comment at the bottom of the page.

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/y99xmp/-/index.html[/quote]

He better shut up!!.....They will still corner him and he will pay for his thieving ways.

I dont think he will ever be napped. Wherever he has stolen, he uses spanner boys.
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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