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NASA moves to the Supreme Court
Much Know
#811 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:44:57 AM
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Joined: 12/6/2008
Posts: 3,587

So sad Sad There is more to life than politics, it is not a matter of life and death. Every luo MUST support Raila even if their intellect/education says otherwise, must everyone succumb to tribal thinking, blackmail, threats, L. Nyanza is a pathetic place Sad otherwise we pray for PLO's safety Pray He is just being a patriotic intelligent Kenyan.
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kaka2za
#812 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:17:58 AM
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Joined: 10/3/2008
Posts: 4,058
Location: Gwitu
Impunity wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Though the petition may be dismissed,I expect the ruling to be castigate IEBC on processes.

The problem is that IEBC is poorly funded and same problems will recur even if the election is repeated ten times.


Kes. 45 Billion is a poor funding...my Lords.


Take out the cost of acquiring new techology due to to failure of the BVR ,security and legal costs and see how much is left.
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Wrong forever on the throne
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masukuma
#813 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:35:06 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle.


That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords.

I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser.


I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens.

A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous.

A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections

It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun


Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that
1) institutions work
2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law
that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process.
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Fullykenyan
#814 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:43:07 AM
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Joined: 7/27/2014
Posts: 560
Location: Eastlando
Much Know wrote:

So sad Sad There is more to life than politics, it is not a matter of life and death. Every luo MUST support Raila even if their intellect/education says otherwise, must everyone succumb to tribal thinking, blackmail, threats, L. Nyanza is a pathetic place Sad otherwise we pray for PLO's safety Pray He is just being a patriotic intelligent Kenyan.


These people are the most intolerant kenyans we have. They will call you names if you dont worship Raila
Shak
#815 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:02:10 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/22/2009
Posts: 2,449
Location: Africa
masukuma wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle.


That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords.

I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser.


I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens.

A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous.

A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections

It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun


Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that
1) institutions work
2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law
that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process.

My fear about a possible recount is that a new circus will arise where NASA will claim that ballot boxes have been tampered with by IEBC therefore they don't trust what will result from it
limanika
#816 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:21:26 PM
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Joined: 9/21/2011
Posts: 2,032
Shak wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle.


That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords.

I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser.


I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens.

A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous.

A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections

It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun


Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that
1) institutions work
2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law
that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process.

My fear about a possible recount is that a new circus will arise where NASA will claim that ballot boxes have been tampered with by IEBC therefore they don't trust what will result from it

Recount is a no no, would be ill advised. A number of warehouses would go up in flames same day courtesy of some MIB
ngapat
#817 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:34:48 PM
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Joined: 12/11/2006
Posts: 930
on form 34A and 34B not being genuine, can the petitioner show us how a genuine form looks like
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Ngalaka
#818 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:36:32 PM
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Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
Shak wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle.


That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords.

I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser.


I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens.

A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous.

A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections

It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun


Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that
1) institutions work
2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law
that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process.

My fear about a possible recount is that a new circus will arise where NASA will claim that ballot boxes have been tampered with by IEBC therefore they don't trust what will result from it

How would that work at this point in time and what purpose would it serve!

I thought tomorrow Friday, the court is expected to tell us one of two things - either;

After having considered all the arguments...... We find that the results of the elections that were announced by Chebukati hold because we have not seen compelling evidence that would persuade us to annul it.

Or

The results don’t hold and are hereby annuled because of serious and widespread breaches which we enumerate here below.

Recommending certain restructuring of IEBC infrastructure and operations may be an option, but calling for a recount! That bus has left the station already.

Otherwise it would mean they withhold their decision till the outcome of that exercise, which would offend the time lines laid down.


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Gathige
#819 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:40:12 PM
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Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,242
[quote=washiku]PLO in hot soup

https://www.standardmedi...ural-home-after-threats[/quote]

This level of intolerance for the opposite view is what makes many very worried on Raila's presidency. In trying to show allegiance to Baba, they instill fear in everyone else. Imagine what they can do if baba is in Statehouse



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2012
#820 Posted : Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:46:46 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
[quote=washiku]PLO in hot soup

https://www.standardmedi...ural-home-after-threats[/quote]

With this kind of primitive behaviour, isn't Kenya lucky that UK won? The poor man is not even representing Uhuru.

BBI will solve it
:)
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