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Ericsson
#1581 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:45:41 AM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,663
Location: NAIROBI
Metch wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Will things get hot for some banks?
https://www.businessdail...85478-1mgllm/index.html
Which banks are involved with the NYS scam?

Hot how.. It would be difficult for any Kenyan bank to have known of the scam. If payment has been received from IFMIS to the client bank account and the client presents an LPO along with invoice in support of works done.. The banks' work stops there! Hio ingine ni ya DPP na CID


I agree this is not on banks.If you have supporting documents the transaction is supposed to be approved.If the said documents were issued after supplying air that's an issue for the criminal justice system to solve.


Banks are liable. They have a responsibility to report suspect transactions e.g if an account that barely transacts receives 10M from a govt institution and the money is withdrawn in cash within the hour (no large amounts declaration forms were signed).
And this happened repeatedly at the same bank!
We should be asking which banks. Transactions happened at Ridgeway Mall. We have Equity, Coop, Chase and StanChart there


There is no stanchart branch at Ridgeways mall.
It's equity,Co-op and Chase Bank.
Chase bank is under receivership so there is a limit upto how much one can withdraw.
This leaves Equity and Co-op bank.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#1582 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:51:44 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Metch wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Will things get hot for some banks?
https://www.businessdail...85478-1mgllm/index.html
Which banks are involved with the NYS scam?

Hot how.. It would be difficult for any Kenyan bank to have known of the scam. If payment has been received from IFMIS to the client bank account and the client presents an LPO along with invoice in support of works done.. The banks' work stops there! Hio ingine ni ya DPP na CID


I agree this is not on banks.If you have supporting documents the transaction is supposed to be approved.If the said documents were issued after supplying air that's an issue for the criminal justice system to solve.


Banks are liable. They have a responsibility to report suspect transactions e.g if an account that barely transacts receives 10M from a govt institution and the money is withdrawn in cash within the hour (no large amounts declaration forms were signed).
And this happened repeatedly at the same bank!
We should be asking which banks. Transactions happened at Ridgeway Mall. We have Equity, Coop, Chase and StanChart there


There is no stanchart branch at Ridgeways mall.
It's equity,Co-op and Chase Bank.
Chase bank is under receivership so there is a limit upto how much one can withdraw.
This leaves Equity and Co-op bank.

Ekweetee? I hope not Pray Pray Pray [Yes, I have a vested interest]
Coop? Let the 370mn chap answer those questions!

It's tough for banks to monitor all this. The huge withdrawals should raise an eyebrow but if a manager/staff is compromised then what can a bank do?

GoK is squarely at fault. These GoK projects have been leaking money since I was a kid. And before that. We do not need more GoK projects but PPPs and private sector initiatives.

Apart from the blatant theft, GoK has been borrowing like crazy.
Equity, SCBK, I&M, DTB, BBK, Stanbic, etc have increased their GoK paper holdings vs lending to the private sector thanks to the high rates offered.
The 15-year bond issued recently was at 13.07% so how many banks would want to lend at 13.5 to Wanjiku?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
whiteowl
#1583 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:53:26 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 4/16/2014
Posts: 1,420
Location: Bohemian Grove
Metch wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Will things get hot for some banks?
https://www.businessdail...85478-1mgllm/index.html
Which banks are involved with the NYS scam?

Hot how.. It would be difficult for any Kenyan bank to have known of the scam. If payment has been received from IFMIS to the client bank account and the client presents an LPO along with invoice in support of works done.. The banks' work stops there! Hio ingine ni ya DPP na CID


I agree this is not on banks.If you have supporting documents the transaction is supposed to be approved.If the said documents were issued after supplying air that's an issue for the criminal justice system to solve.


Banks are liable. They have a responsibility to report suspect transactions e.g if an account that barely transacts receives 10M from a govt institution and the money is withdrawn in cash within the hour (no large amounts declaration forms were signed).
And this happened repeatedly at the same bank!
We should be asking which banks. Transactions happened at Ridgeway Mall. We have Equity, Coop, Chase and StanChart there


This is not a problem of reports not being filed.This is all about the criminal justice system.The Auditor General,A govt employee, reports theft of over 300 billion every financial year and what usually happens?
VituVingiSana
#1584 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:55:48 AM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,084
Location: Nairobi
7 banks?
https://www.youtube.com/...nue=5&v=PYmf38QVUcs
'For all the money to be lost, there were transactions, and banks to facilitate them. There are seven Kenyan banks which have been accused of laundering the money looted in the NYS scam. Central Bank Governor Patrick Njoroge confirmed that there are banks that are to be held liable, but declined to either confirm the number or name the lenders under the investigation radar. He says the CBK is allowing the Directorate of Criminal Investigations to conclude investigations before deciding on the next course of action.'
From NTV

So which are these 7?
Suspected:
Coop
Chase [Closed since the scam? Or limited access]
Equity
StanChart [@Ericsson says it doesn't have a branch at Ridgeways]
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#1585 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:10:26 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,663
Location: NAIROBI
whiteowl wrote:
Metch wrote:
whiteowl wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Will things get hot for some banks?
https://www.businessdail...85478-1mgllm/index.html
Which banks are involved with the NYS scam?

Hot how.. It would be difficult for any Kenyan bank to have known of the scam. If payment has been received from IFMIS to the client bank account and the client presents an LPO along with invoice in support of works done.. The banks' work stops there! Hio ingine ni ya DPP na CID


I agree this is not on banks.If you have supporting documents the transaction is supposed to be approved.If the said documents were issued after supplying air that's an issue for the criminal justice system to solve.


Banks are liable. They have a responsibility to report suspect transactions e.g if an account that barely transacts receives 10M from a govt institution and the money is withdrawn in cash within the hour (no large amounts declaration forms were signed).
And this happened repeatedly at the same bank!
We should be asking which banks. Transactions happened at Ridgeway Mall. We have Equity, Coop, Chase and StanChart there


This is not a problem of reports not being filed.This is all about the criminal justice system.The Auditor General,A govt employee, reports theft of over 300 billion every financial year and what usually happens?


We take it as usual and continue with our suffering of poor roads,poor medical facilities,poorly maintained and overcrowded public schools
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Metch
#1586 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:20:47 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 12/22/2015
Posts: 224
Location: Mombasa, Kenya
VituVingiSana wrote:
7 banks?
https://www.youtube.com/...nue=5&v=PYmf38QVUcs
'For all the money to be lost, there were transactions, and banks to facilitate them. There are seven Kenyan banks which have been accused of laundering the money looted in the NYS scam. Central Bank Governor Patrick Njoroge confirmed that there are banks that are to be held liable, but declined to either confirm the number or name the lenders under the investigation radar. He says the CBK is allowing the Directorate of Criminal Investigations to conclude investigations before deciding on the next course of action.'
From NTV

So which are these 7?
Suspected:
Coop
Chase [Closed since the scam? Or limited access]
Equity
StanChart [@Ericsson says it doesn't have a branch at Ridgeways]

My bet is on Equity. 19 of the 20 directors facing charges are from 1 community that just happens to swear by this bank
Start!
Ericsson
#1587 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:04:48 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,663
Location: NAIROBI
Family Bank Q1 Net profit of ksh.35.8mn
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Chaka
#1588 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:18:52 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/16/2007
Posts: 2,114
How much is the CEO paid I wonder?
Ericsson wrote:
Family Bank Q1 Net profit of ksh.35.8mn

Angelica _ann
#1589 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:53:03 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,908
Chaka wrote:
How much is the CEO paid I wonder?
Ericsson wrote:
Family Bank Q1 Net profit of ksh.35.8mn



Turning things around after Munyiri mess. Good.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Ericsson
#1590 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 7:30:51 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,663
Location: NAIROBI
National bank loss of sh.278.5mn
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#1591 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 7:32:01 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,663
Location: NAIROBI
Barclays bank quarter 1 net profits up 7% to 1.8bn
Profits boosted by;
Investment in government bonds and Treasury bills surging 52 per cent to Sh67 billion.
This helped raise total interest income 8.1 per cent to Sh6.9 billion.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#1592 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:06:06 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
Exchange Bar Quarterly Forecast for Q1 2018, PBT figures in KES B:
EQTY 6.4 Actual 8.3
KCB 6.8 Actual 7.4
COOP 4.1 Actual 4.9
SCBK 2.8 Actual 2.7
DTB 2.7 Actual 2.7
BBK 2.3 Actual 2.7
I&M 1.7
STB 1.5 Actual 2.7
NIC 1.2 Actual 1.3
HFCK 0.18
NBK 0.14

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#1593 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:48:02 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,663
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
Exchange Bar Quarterly Forecast for Q1 2018, PBT figures in KES B:
EQTY 6.4 Actual 8.3
KCB 6.8 Actual 7.4
COOP 4.1 Actual 4.9
SCBK 2.8 Actual 2.7
DTB 2.7 Actual 2.7
BBK 2.3 Actual 2.7
I&M 1.7
STB 1.5 Actual 2.7
NIC 1.2 Actual 1.3
HFCK 0.18
NBK 0.14


What about NBK
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#1594 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:01:44 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Exchange Bar Quarterly Forecast for Q1 2018, PBT figures in KES B:
EQTY 6.4 Actual 8.3
KCB 6.8 Actual 7.4
COOP 4.1 Actual 4.9
SCBK 2.8 Actual 2.7
DTB 2.7 Actual 2.7
BBK 2.3 Actual 2.7
I&M 1.7
STB 1.5 Actual 2.7
NIC 1.2 Actual 1.3
HFCK 0.18
NBK 0.14


What about NBK

Was confirming the figure you posted. It actually did slide into net loss of KES 278M but with a PBT of KES 76M

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
obiero
#1595 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:04:44 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
Exchange Bar Quarterly Forecast for Q1 2018, PBT figures in KES B:
EQTY 6.4 Actual 8.3
KCB 6.8 Actual 7.4
COOP 4.1 Actual 4.9
SCBK 2.8 Actual 2.7
DTB 2.7 Actual 2.7
BBK 2.3 Actual 2.7
I&M 1.7 Actual 2.0
STB 1.5 Actual 2.7
NIC 1.2 Actual 1.3
HFCK 0.18
NBK 0.14 Actual 0.07

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Ericsson
#1596 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:21:10 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,663
Location: NAIROBI
obiero wrote:
Exchange Bar Quarterly Forecast for Q1 2018, PBT figures in KES B:
EQTY 6.4 Actual 8.3
KCB 6.8 Actual 7.4
COOP 4.1 Actual 4.9
SCBK 2.8 Actual 2.7
DTB 2.7 Actual 2.7
BBK 2.3 Actual 2.7
I&M 1.7 Actual 2.0
STB 1.5 Actual 2.7
NIC 1.2 Actual 1.3
HFCK 0.18
NBK 0.14 Actual 0.07


HFCK PBT ksh.52.9mn
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Ericsson
#1597 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:23:24 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,663
Location: NAIROBI
Ericsson wrote:
Barclays bank quarter 1 net profits up 7% to 1.8bn
Profits boosted by;
Investment in government bonds and Treasury bills surging 52 per cent to Sh67 billion.
This helped raise total interest income 8.1 per cent to Sh6.9 billion.


And as with the norm with other banks loans and advances shrunk when Q1 2018 is compared to FY 2017
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#1598 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:32:31 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Barclays bank quarter 1 net profits up 7% to 1.8bn
Profits boosted by;
Investment in government bonds and Treasury bills surging 52 per cent to Sh67 billion.
This helped raise total interest income 8.1 per cent to Sh6.9 billion.


And as with the norm with other banks loans and advances shrunk when Q1 2018 is compared to FY 2017

A terrible sign. Considering banks exist primarily to lend

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
obiero
#1599 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:34:20 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 13,488
Location: nairobi
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Exchange Bar Quarterly Forecast for Q1 2018, PBT figures in KES B:
EQTY 6.4 Actual 8.3
KCB 6.8 Actual 7.4
COOP 4.1 Actual 4.9
SCBK 2.8 Actual 2.7
DTB 2.7 Actual 2.7
BBK 2.3 Actual 2.7
I&M 1.7 Actual 2.0
STB 1.5 Actual 2.7
NIC 1.2 Actual 1.3
HFCK 0.18 Actual 0.05
NBK 0.14 Actual 0.07


HFCK PBT ksh.52.9mn

Awful results by HF

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
Angelica _ann
#1600 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:49:28 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,908
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
Exchange Bar Quarterly Forecast for Q1 2018, PBT figures in KES B:
EQTY 6.4 Actual 8.3
KCB 6.8 Actual 7.4
COOP 4.1 Actual 4.9
SCBK 2.8 Actual 2.7
DTB 2.7 Actual 2.7
BBK 2.3 Actual 2.7
I&M 1.7 Actual 2.0
STB 1.5 Actual 2.7
NIC 1.2 Actual 1.3
HFCK 0.18 Actual 0.05
NBK 0.14 Actual 0.07


HFCK PBT ksh.52.9mn

Awful results by HF


Marangu eats everything!!!
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