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Safaricom Half Year 2010/2011 results review
muganda
#71 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:41:06 PM
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Whoooaaa! Missed all the "praise" from @kanda @guru267. Okay some facts:

1. If Zain Kenya had not reduced their price, whatever their ulterior motive, we would not be paying 2/= on Safaricom.

2. Though every man can lie, Bob Collymore knows much more than you and I on performance of Zain.

3. Over 50% of Zain traffic terminates to Safaricom network. This means over 50% of Zain traffic earns them 0.17 per minute, while earning Government 0.62 per min, and earning Safaricom 2.21 per min.

4. It was reported on Reuters/Bloomberg yesterday that Bharti strategy in Africa is now in question as it seems to pursue market share at the cost of overall profit turnaround.


Weighing these 4 facts, I wouldn't be so quick to criticize my citing of Bob Collymore. Which by the way was made in an official Earnings Announcement, and quoted widely in international press.

Caveman
#72 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:13:45 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
I love needling the SafCon investors... LOL... I sold mine off ages ago... I even told folks when I sold...

I use Zain solely coz of 'price'... I had a Yu line [it was the cheapest] but when 3/- came out... I moved...

which is cheaper: 2 bob or 3 bob?
VituVingiSana
#73 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:18:37 PM
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Caveman wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
I love needling the SafCon investors... LOL... I sold mine off ages ago... I even told folks when I sold...

I use Zain solely coz of 'price'... I had a Yu line [it was the cheapest] but when 3/- came out... I moved...

which is cheaper: 2 bob or 3 bob?

1) I call all networks. I like the PERMANENT rates from Zain. No confusion! I don't have a Mathematics PHd to figure Safaricom's 'offers'...

2) Also ALL sms are 1/-. safcom has funny deals but 3.50 across networks.

3) I also use the One Network. Very nice. Works great in Uganda + Tanzania. Cheaper than Safaricom Roaming. Free incoming calls!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
hisah
#74 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 7:43:24 AM
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Back in 2008 after scom's 1H results, the thread tone was similar. Then there was vuka tariff & a global credit crunch panic. By Feb 2009, the share had plunged below 3bob. Will history repeat itself?
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
erifloss
#75 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 7:55:41 AM
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Dumped my safaricom though there are a few things we should accept in this world of wealth maximization:
1. They've got a strong balance sheet. Their debt to capital ratio is ok as compared to the industry, a healthy cashflow. Business is all in the money.
2. Around the world ICT is driven by innovation. It reaches a point where you not only want to use you phone to call. 7 yrs or 5 yrs ago who would have conteplated browsing or sending money via phone in Kenya if not safcom
A long term investor's jewel
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mv_ufanisi
#76 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 12:05:13 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Caveman wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
I love needling the SafCon investors... LOL... I sold mine off ages ago... I even told folks when I sold...

I use Zain solely coz of 'price'... I had a Yu line [it was the cheapest] but when 3/- came out... I moved...

which is cheaper: 2 bob or 3 bob?

1) I call all networks. I like the PERMANENT rates from Zain. No confusion! I don't have a Mathematics PHd to figure Safaricom's 'offers'...

2) Also ALL sms are 1/-. safcom has funny deals but 3.50 across networks.

3) I also use the One Network. Very nice. Works great in Uganda + Tanzania. Cheaper than Safaricom Roaming. Free incoming calls!


I second this e-motion! I moved to Zain when I realized that SCOM was playing tricks with their offers. I'm sure 90% of SCOM clients are still paying 3.50 per sms. Who's going to buy these confusing sms bundles and monitor them?
alikujia
#77 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 2:34:16 PM
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Quite some confusions on this thread. Many against safaricom (as consumers). Many supporting safcom because they are investors (mostly i think because they are stuck in already). On the first group, i doubt whether there are anyone(as consumers) who would not praise zain move, unless they are safconemployees.
so is the discussion about safocn as an investment option or as product provider?
mv_ufanisi
#78 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 3:09:23 PM
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alikujia wrote:
Quite some confusions on this thread. Many against safaricom (as consumers). Many supporting safcom because they are investors (mostly i think because they are stuck in already). On the first group, i doubt whether there are anyone(as consumers) who would not praise zain move, unless they are safconemployees.
so is the discussion about safocn as an investment option or as product provider?


You know there's trouble in SCOM land when they resort to "choirs" a la Moi style to praise Kenyans to make them feel good to continue getting "fake" deals.

Is it patriotic to be paying Kshs. 3.50 when other providers are paying 1 bob?
annsal
#79 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 3:56:53 PM
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It always comes down to how much you are spending - i use zain most of the time coz atleast i understand the rates- 3 bob for calls and 1/= for sms. simple and clear. i dont care much about who is making profits vs losses.
God loves a Trier!
Much Know
#80 Posted : Friday, November 12, 2010 4:28:10 PM
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Joined: 12/6/2008
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There are 700K shareholders, 3k employees and 17million subscribers, this argument that people see value in safaricom because they are employees or shareholders is just too weak, can we permanently drop it. I don't see a youngster who spends most of his time on facebook(which he automatically logs in through safaricom live) opting for zain or yu, i dont see myself changing simcards or carrying two phones, one for Mpesa, another for sms and switching again to call. Safaricom is way ahead of the others and customers recognise this, very simple, and some of us on seeing this, invest there. It a result not a cause.
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