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Kenya Airways: Stock to watch...
X13united
#71 Posted : Monday, November 08, 2010 11:54:22 PM
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@ deal- ofcours i understand demand n supply but what beats my mathematics here is that we had good numbers in the results jus released. Ofcous good numbers call for demand which we r lackin at the moment despite that supply. The views thereof then raise my questions.
youcan'tstopusnow
#72 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:11:57 AM
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X13, were the numbers as good as people are saying they are? I have read, here on Wazua, that some accountants are not that impressed with the figures
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
the deal
#73 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:00:43 AM
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I'm now praying for KQ to stay depressed like this up to December so that i buy more.
X13united
#74 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:24:11 AM
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the deal wrote:
I'm now praying for KQ to stay depressed like this up to December so that i buy more.


THE DEAL-show some love my friend,your prayers r definately countered by the very many passangers who would wish this jet to land asap.
X13united
#75 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:11:16 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
X13, were the numbers as good as people are saying they are? I have read, here on Wazua, that some accountants are not that impressed with the figures


@YOU.C-Albeit he/she was wrong on the hedging matter. A drop from 1.4b to 400m was definately out of order n if not then we should appeal for him/her to be hired with immediate effect. All said,lets hope for the best.
My 2 cents
#76 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:15:29 AM
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ProverB wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Management have a lot to gain when a company's capitalisation is enhanced. (i.e. when the shares price in their company rises)

Ask me if it not immediately evident to you why...


you are referring to Market capitalisation..not company capitalisation..

one refers to shareholders valuation of company assets and business..the latter refers to actual fundamental valuation of the company assets and business..

Market capitalisation is more a factor of perception..by investing public..the other..has to be authenticated as true and fair by auditors.

True. I was referring to market capitalisation.
alikujia
#77 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:03:20 PM
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the hedge experts are winning this, for the time being. Can the experts come out clean on this and educate us more. To the ordinary layman, the forecast endyear eps of over 6 would have already seen the counter going up immediately. But something is holding. I dont believe it is a single suppler wanting out - would have been twangwaad right away.

alikujia
#78 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:10:17 PM
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hisah wrote:
The main risk to KQ is if oil prices manage to reclaim the $100/barrel by end of Dec 2010. If such a scenario plays out as the $ continues its weakness trend, that means more fuel costs for the 2H. Also a weak $ means losses against the Ksh, thus reducing ticket income for foreign routes.

@hisah - thought current hedges were at lower prices -that would mean advantage at least in the shortrun(endyear). Explainplease.
mwanahisa
#79 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:22:57 PM
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I attended the Investor Briefing and interestingly the cash flow hedges did not feature in the presentation. The fuel derivatives were a small loss and the Chairman was really happy with the fact that they had gotten a handle on these.

I am trying to establish what is the nature of the cash flow hedges to determine what is the likely position at the end of the year.

As I had predicted, operating profits were really good, so that was a positive outcome at least.
VituVingiSana
#80 Posted : Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:31:08 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
I attended the Investor Briefing and interestingly the cash flow hedges did not feature in the presentation. The fuel derivatives were a small loss and the Chairman was really happy with the fact that they had gotten a handle on these.

I am trying to establish what is the nature of the cash flow hedges to determine what is the likely position at the end of the year.

As I had predicted, operating profits were really good, so that was a positive outcome at least.
If KQ wanted to pay off (terminate) the hedges as of 30 Sep 2010, they would have had to pay the 'loss' as shown in the Comprehensive Income...

Of course, this 'deficit' could increase/decrease based on the Fuel prices as these Hedges come due...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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