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Brewer
#71 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:52:05 PM
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@Wendz, what you call strict and rigid doctrines is a big part of being a catholic (not just a christian). But as I said, following the referendum, the church needs to have a conversation with its individual members because the feeling of a disconnect between the two is quite real, for much as Philip Mbithi referred to Africans as being 'notoriously religious', the influence of the 'tribe' is overwhelming. May be we are still defining what kind of christians we are though I doubt a perfect definition of a christian is achievable.
Seeders
#72 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:54:16 PM
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msakhulu, you are digging yourself deeper in your attempt to get out of a hole.

a)so according to you, the 2.6M were forced while the 5.8M were 'left' to make their choice? care to share the scientific methodology you used to arrive at that conclusion?

b)was the church a let down because they did not endorse your opinion?

c)what specific lies are you referring to and which specific church or church leader are you talking about? what proportion (%) of the clergy have you calculated peddled these lies?

JWK wrote:
@Pastor M
The church was a let down to me because of behaving like politicians in 2007;fabricating lies and misinterpretating certain parts of the constitution and asking the voters to vote no. Like I said before and I maintain this, they should have highlighted their issues of concern and and left the people to make their choice without influence. Get my point? The 2million people should have been left to free choice.

Wendz
#73 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58:28 PM
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Does it matter anymore who was right or wrong? the fact of the matter is, we have a new constitution that binds us all... we like it we dont. Why dont we start looking at the way forward on implementation and sorting out the problems we feel there is? You can argue till tomorrow who was right or wrong, it wont change the position we are in right now. Forge forward, and smile even if you dont want to.

@Brewer - I just called it as it is. Its strict(ask anyone who has been in a catholic school) and its rigid(not easily changed). You may read and interpret as you would want to interpret it but having said that, i am still a catholic and am not about to change.
JWK
#74 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:01:26 PM
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@Wendz
You said it! I fully agree.
kadonye
#75 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:07:50 PM
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The church has been consistent on its opposition to the constitution on issues like kadhi courts and abortion.

Can those who voted NO in 2005 cast a stone on the church?You sided with them and made their grievances your selling points

Now you are branding them liars and false prophets?

BTW, the political side of this katiba is roughly the same as wako draft
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
Seeders
#76 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:08:00 PM
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regardless of the vote, i dont think discussing the vote is taboo now is it?

if someone posts something, they should not be shocked when someone responds to the contrary.

it is the beauty of independent thought - and free speech too if i may hasten to add.

but feel free to move to the next thread. smile

Wendz wrote:
Does it matter anymore who was right or wrong? the fact of the matter is, we have a new constitution that binds us all... we like it we dont. Why dont we start looking at the way forward on implementation and sorting out the problems we feel there is? You can argue till tomorrow who was right or wrong, it wont change the position we are in right now. Forge forward, and smile even if you dont want to.

theman192000
#77 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:12:46 PM
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@Wendz

If this referendum teaches you nothing, let it be known that when it comes to religious dogmata, you are wasting your time.

I've learnt to steer clear of arguments based on faith.
Wendz
#78 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:23:09 PM
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Wazua..... Arent we able to delete what we have posted anymore?
Wendz
#79 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:27:31 PM
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theman192000 wrote:
@Wendz

If this referendum teaches you nothing, let it be known that when it comes to religious dogmata, you are wasting your time.

I've learnt to steer clear of arguments based on faith.


You are very right....
Seeders
#80 Posted : Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:32:06 PM
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a good attempt ma'am but not sure you understand what the terms 'irony' and 'feel free' means.

reason - you expressed your thoughts that discussion of the vote on this thread needs to end hence my gentlemanly invite to you to feel free to leave if you are not happy with the conversation.

of course you can stay my dear - it is your right under the old or new constitution...

Wendz wrote:
Seeders wrote:


it is the beauty of independent thought - a[b]nd free speech too[/b] if i may hasten to add.

but feel free to move to the next thread. smile

Wendz wrote:
Does it matter anymore who was right or wrong? the fact of the matter is, we have a new constitution that binds us all... we like it we dont. Why dont we start looking at the way forward on implementation and sorting out the problems we feel there is? You can argue till tomorrow who was right or wrong, it wont change the position we are in right now. Forge forward, and smile even if you dont want to.



Check the irony of your post.

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