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sitaki.kujulikana		#71 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 9:47:27 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826		hardwood wrote: tycho wrote: Thank God no one is doubting 'my' Serena! You've spoken too soon. They might start questioning why she is so muscular and doesn't have a baby yet, and start examining to find out if she has a womb. they have been doing that they say her serve is too fast and strokes too powerful and that should be in the men category.
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hardwood		#72 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 9:50:52 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		tycho wrote: hardwood wrote: Who is more feminine? Sweet Semenya or the body builder? [img]http://www.garmaonhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Ms-Olympia-Iris-Kyle.jpg/img] The sweet body builder. What would you do if your sweet little girl turned to be like Semenya? We shouldn't go payuka-payukaring about Semenya since we dont know what is in store for us.
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masukuma		#73 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:03:48 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		Watu watafute maSemenya wao... waache kutusumbua!! Kenya ilipata wake... hao wanalalamika wakiwa no. 6 wakwende. Kama kushinda Semenya imekuwa ngumu usijali kuna watu kama akina Justin Dopelin wanashida kama hizo... Kushinda Bolt imekuwa ngumu sana. Wasijali... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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hardwood		#74 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:27:08 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay		http://www.independent.c...ay-we-want-a7203506.html
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masukuma		#75 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 10:38:57 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		hardwood wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/caster-semenya-rio-2016-gold-800m-intersex-gender-femininity-doesnt-look-the-way-we-want-a7203506.html Excellent Quote: It’s clear that Semenya is an extremely fast, accomplished and dedicated athlete. It’s hardly true that her condition eliminates the need to train hard and practice in order to build on her natural sporting abilities. There is a multitude of factors that go into that training, which makes it extensively difficult to definitively measure the actual effect of naturally produced testosterone on athletic performance. It is imperative to remember that the Olympics split themselves with a sloppy gender proxy for competing, reliant on a constellation of biological markers, not a testosterone split. We do not attack men who have higher testosterone levels than other male athletes and we especially do not force them to have inhumane and wildly problematic “gender tests”. Semenya is guilty of nothing. She is an Olympic champion and it’s time we treat her like one. Discrimination is a slippery slope - does anyone remember the Utrecht marathon fiasco? They had 2 sets of prices - €100 if the winner was Kenyan and €10,000 if the winner was dutch! why? Kenyan runners had won the Rotterdam, Utrecht, Eindhoven, Enschede and Leiden marathons. The Utrecht race had been won by a Kenyan for the previous four years and the organisers hoped to give top Dutch athletes a chance to win that year. How does it feel when someone discriminates you coz of something you cannot control? Umesoma... umetia bidii.. you have everything required except something you cannot change like your ethnicity and you go for a job and you are told... HAPANA WE HAVE TOO MANY KIKUYUS HERE!! How does it feel? it's not your ability to do the job but rather whose womb you landed in that determines that! I think Serena anatafutwa... the Hottentot Venus was tafutwad and made a spectacle of... it will not end here! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Alba		#76 Posted : Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:58:28 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa		That article hardwood posted is a lot of emotional stuff and zero substance. I would rather focus on the scientific aspect of this issue than the emotional stuff. As for Masukuma's claim about discrimination That is bogus / specious argument. As I Pointed out earlier, there is a new rule in Kenya schools sports that if you are over 19, you cannot play. Therefore students who have repeated a class twice cannot play. Is this also discrimination? Is it discrimination when people are told you have to be 18 to vote? Is it discrimination when boys are not allowed at Loreto Limuru or Precious Blood or any other girls school? No because there are rules governing sports, education and other aspects of life. I suspect that what IAAF will argue when they go to court is that they as the governing body have the authority to designate who should run in each division. And that it should be scientifically based not emotion based. As for Semenya being humiliated with gender tests, that is nothing compared to the doping tests that women including Semenya have to undergo. When being tested for doping, you have to urinate into a cup in full view of the tester. Sometimes even 3 times a day. That said I am not unhappy that Semenya is winning. But I will hold my breath when a see an intersex boxer step into the ring with another woman.
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urstill1		#77 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:21:10 AM
Rank: User Joined: 9/6/2013 Posts: 1,446 Location: In a house		Amesema s-he has no time for such questions.
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urstill1		#78 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:29:26 AM
Rank: User Joined: 9/6/2013 Posts: 1,446 Location: In a house		I believe that if testosterone levels get to a certain point in male athletes, they are usually more scrutinized/tested and re-tested I don't think Bolt is an exception. As @Alba says, major worry is when people identifying themselves as such get into games like boxing with fellow we-men. Disclaimer: I don't have a problem with whichever way someone decides to identify him/herself.
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masukuma		#79 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:29:42 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi		Alba wrote: That article hardwood posted is a lot of emotional stuff and zero substance. I would rather focus on the scientific aspect of this issue than the emotional stuff. As for Masukuma's claim about discrimination That is bogus / specious argument. As I Pointed out earlier, there is a new rule in Kenya schools sports that if you are over 19, you cannot play. Therefore students who have repeated a class twice cannot play. Is this also discrimination? Is it discrimination when people are told you have to be 18 to vote? Is it discrimination when boys are not allowed at Loreto Limuru or Precious Blood or any other girls school? No because there are rules governing sports, education and other aspects of life. I suspect that what IAAF will argue when they go to court is that they as the governing body have the authority to designate who should run in each division. And that it should be scientifically based not emotion based. As for Semenya being humiliated with gender tests, that is nothing compared to the doping tests that women including Semenya have to undergo. When being tested for doping, you have to urinate into a cup in full view of the tester. Sometimes even 3 times a day. That said I am not unhappy that Semenya is winning. But I will hold my breath when a see an intersex boxer step into the ring with another woman. just because Kenya has a discriminatory law does not mean the other case is not! it's discrimination! I personally repeated twice!! if it was passed when I was in school - I would not play! forced segregation is discrimination! On gender tests - what if they have to examine you using their fingers? not just looking but "observing" - pissing in a cup is not as bad as people inserting fingers and probing your gonads - surely even you see this as being more humiliating than others. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Impunity		#80 Posted : Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:35:27 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada		hardwood wrote: Who is more feminine? Sweet Semenya or the body builder? It all depends on what is between the groin...if its a natural socket then hizo other physical features daent matter. Its all about airport. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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