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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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I don't get this 'winner takes all' talk. So should a losing football teams earn one point while the winner gets two instead of all three? What we need is equitable distribution of resources not sharing positions. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Lolest! wrote:FRM2011 wrote:This is the link to the report. https://www.bbi.go.keIt is 156 pages. I can't comment because I haven't read it. I know none of the wazuans have read it. Stop commenting until you read it. Since you haven't read, none of us has read  Outside cyberspace, I am the most politically active wazuan. @jagguernut went quiet after becoming an mp. Today we were launching chungwa house. Most wazuans are keyboard warriors who have never attended a political rally let alone sit at the dias. To imagine any of them have sacrificed 3 hours to read the BBI report is being too gracious.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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kaka2za wrote:I don't get this 'winner takes all' talk.
So should a losing football teams earn one point while the winner gets two instead of all three?
What we need is equitable distribution of resources not sharing positions. The lamu governor got 60,000 votes. The government provides him with vehicles, security for his family and home and all the trappings of power. Rao got 6M votes. The current constitution says he should go home. It is like telling those 6M voters to go to hell. Ruto will get at least 3M in 2022. BBI has proposed an office for the leader of opposition funded by the taxpayer. The millions who vote for the runner-up should feel their voice was heard.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Lolest! wrote:FRM2011 wrote:This is the link to the report. https://www.bbi.go.keIt is 156 pages. I can't comment because I haven't read it. I know none of the wazuans have read it. Stop commenting until you read it. Since you haven't read, none of us has read Baba will read it for us. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Why does Kenya's leadership initiatives have to be about political positioning and elections. Why can't we one day have a national dialogue to address Food security or universal healthcare or education for all, how about discussing unemployment and youth capacity building.
I am depressed, I hope this document never see the light of day. It has got no content for ordinary Kenyans. This is a stich-up, similar to the one Moi tried with the Uhuru succession. Apparently the solution to our'winner take all' governance problem is to allow the elite Houses a bite at the pie of leadership, preferably each in turn as they tend to fight when they are forced to share the trough. Last time it was the Kenyattas, this time it is the Odingas (the Mois are not considered of Royal enough blood, the Ruto's can only look on and salivate. Kenya kweli ina wenyewe). Unfortunately if Rao does not win President or PM with this arrangement, we shall be back to square zero. I must say I am under-whelemed too. At least they have re-firmed the importance of a well funded opposition, including a shadow cabinet. That to me is the true solution to the winner take all problem. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Lolest! wrote:I don't see how Ruto would lose if these BB proposals are effected
He has campaigned for presidency- the directly elected one- and BB still has the same with executive power and with a PM that the president can fire
Away from the fixation with the executive, I think that part for counties is the biggest plus in this report. 35% allocation is mzuri sana. Central government needs to release all intra county roads to our devolved units 35%, 50%, 120%...did anybody listen to Mudavadi? Essentially what he said is 'it is the economy stupid.' If we can't figure out a way to make Counties revenue generating, rather than the cost centers they are today, there will be nothing to share. Federalism is expensive as Kenyans are beginning to learn. Vacuous commitments to address gender equity, fairness, historical injustice, marginalisation etc are all well and good as long as someone else is paying the bill. Our current crop of politicians would like us to believe that we can have it all. We can't. This where I relay miss Kibaki with all his weaknesses. I wish they has spent the 10B on an economic commission instead of this mutual feel good repeat crap. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Amores wrote:Thitifini wrote:I still don't see the reasoning behind the PM and DPMs. They can just confuse governance like the CAS things.
Furthermore, it seems like a copy of Uganda's governance structure. Btw, I just learnt tge name of UG PM today. Already have forgotten it. There are no DPMs " The President shall be elected through universal suffrage. For a candidate to be declared the winner of the presidential election, he or she must win 50% + 1 of the presidential votesand at least 25% of the votes cast in each of more than half of the Counties, as is now the case. The President will remain the Head of State andGovernment,Commander-in-Chief,andbe the central symbol of national unity. He shall chair the Cabinet that compromises the Deputy President, the Prime Minister, and Cabinet Ministers. The Taskforce has called for the retaining of the present two-term limit of presidential terms" There is a PM who is like a super CS. Doesn't address the winner takes it all issue which is what we were told we needed to address. I still believe a loser should accept and move on . Then there is issue that even though the PM has to be approved by parliament, president can fire the PM. What a useless recommendation. I have a feeling these guys sensed vile vitu ziko kwa ground ( people want the mzigo punguzwad)and edited the document. There are no DPMs but I was hanging out with muheshimiwas yesterday and one mentioned that he will push for it. Apparently, the leader of opposition cannot be a stand alone candidate yet he had a running mate during the election. The process is just a political process sharing positions tu. Wanjiku aendelee kusyaga meno. Ruto should oppose this thing and we run with it. Am beginning to think Uhuru is totally useless "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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murchr wrote:Amores wrote:Thitifini wrote:I still don't see the reasoning behind the PM and DPMs. They can just confuse governance like the CAS things.
Furthermore, it seems like a copy of Uganda's governance structure. Btw, I just learnt tge name of UG PM today. Already have forgotten it. There are no DPMs " The President shall be elected through universal suffrage. For a candidate to be declared the winner of the presidential election, he or she must win 50% + 1 of the presidential votesand at least 25% of the votes cast in each of more than half of the Counties, as is now the case. The President will remain the Head of State andGovernment,Commander-in-Chief,andbe the central symbol of national unity. He shall chair the Cabinet that compromises the Deputy President, the Prime Minister, and Cabinet Ministers. The Taskforce has called for the retaining of the present two-term limit of presidential terms" There is a PM who is like a super CS. Doesn't address the winner takes it all issue which is what we were told we needed to address. I still believe a loser should accept and move on . Then there is issue that even though the PM has to be approved by parliament, president can fire the PM. What a useless recommendation. I have a feeling these guys sensed vile vitu ziko kwa ground ( people want the mzigo punguzwad)and edited the document. There are no DPMs but I was hanging out with muheshimiwas yesterday and one mentioned that he will push for it. Apparently, the leader of opposition cannot be a stand alone candidate yet he had a running mate during the election. The process is just a political process sharing positions tu. Wanjiku aendelee kusyaga meno. Ruto should oppose this thing and we run with it. Am beginning to think Uhuru is totally useless Uhuru has always been totally useless. Even this BBI is totally useless. The cartels are the leaders themselves, hii yote ni kutufunga macho They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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We copied the American version of constitution, where the loser goes home. Can you imagine if Hillary Clinton would be pushing to be in govt because she feels that the election showrd she has a "constituency"? The only problem with the political class is that they believe life should revolve around them,Kenya can only prosper if they are well catered for with power. I did not hear any mention of Wanjiku apart from that she dies when politicians fight "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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FRM2011 wrote:kaka2za wrote:I don't get this 'winner takes all' talk.
So should a losing football teams earn one point while the winner gets two instead of all three?
What we need is equitable distribution of resources not sharing positions. The lamu governor got 60,000 votes. The government provides him with vehicles, security for his family and home and all the trappings of power. Rao got 6M votes. The current constitution says he should go home. It is like telling those 6M voters to go to hell. Ruto will get at least 3M in 2022. BBI has proposed an office for the leader of opposition funded by the taxpayer. The millions who vote for the runner-up should feel their voice was heard. Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump but she obeyed the constitution went home and doesn't disturb anyone. Baba should do the same, the 6m can vote otherwise in subsequent elections. We need to take a loss as an opportunity to reevaluate and realign. Its not a right to be elected, its the choice of the people to elect or not to "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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