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2012 wrote:kingfisher wrote:2012 wrote:Apparently, future versions of Huawei smartphones hat run on Android will also lose access to popular services including the Google Play Store and Gmail and YouTube apps.
Looks like Huawei is a major target for Trump here... Are you saying Huawei can not come up with an OS like android? Google will lose in this. But this is just a proxy war, main target is Iran. That's why Moscow is very quiet, waiting for the real war. US need to try and weaken Beijing economically before they venture into Tehran so that they will be confronting Moscow only. But I doubt it will work... I'm sure they already have an OS in place. But it makes one wonder which company is really under government control, Huawei or Google? I think it's now a danger for any business to solely rely on Google or any American product. Even Samsung, Moto and others should worry about using a system that is controlled by the US government. Trump may have started killing google without intention... All those apps on google play store can be replicated on Chingchong play store when smartphones start being churned out on chingchong OS When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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If they are doing 16% now, what makes you imagine they cant do 100% in a few years and start exporting? If they had purposed to do 40% by 2020, now that someone is stepping on their toes what do you expect? This will be accelerated and the current suppliers will be the losers in 2 or so years. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rollout wrote:murchr wrote:mpobiz wrote:murchr wrote:mpobiz wrote:Rollout wrote:hardwood wrote:2012 wrote:murchr wrote:Google is now being controlled by the US government same crime that Trump is accusing Huawei of. Not good at all. If China banns Apple, Apple would lose 30% of their business. China should shut Apple manufacturing factories which are all located in china and cripple apple 100%. Shutting down Apple Manufacturing facilities will not happen because it will be the beginning of the end of China communist party. The ripple effect will lead to collapse of the GOV and the ruling elites know that. 1. There will be immediate mass unemployment associated with Apple factories closure 2. It will signal other foreign manufactures that its time to open shops in other East Asia countries leading to a ripple and graduate shift of production by other companies to other countries creating a compounding long term increase unemployment. 3. China need technology and they are learning by having apple and other companies in their country. With high unemployment the economy will slow down and the party will loose support from the masses My thoughts exactly. China is in no position to bully any western country. All its manufacturing and all its market is in the west. Now that the west has seen that China is trying to show that its growing some balls. Manufacturing wil soon be moving to other Asian countries like Vietnam Thailand and Indonesia . Taiwan is also another destination. That will be a long shot. Manufacturing is not just building factories, you will have to train those workers to be as efficient as those of the country you are leaving so I do not see any company making that kind of move. These companies also want to sell to the 1B chinese population so leaving also implies leaving behind that market that they will find no where else. That's why Walmart has alerted their customers to expect higher prices Currently, Trump hasnt slapped tariffs on Apple products but if he imposes it on the rest of the items then the prices of Apple phones is bound to go up The 1b market you are talking about is only made up of peasants. That's not the target market for Americans or EU. They will move elsewhere very fast. They will gamble and create efficiency elsewhere. I once saw on tv how Boeing constructed a factory from scratch and started making planes. If Africa had the right infrastructure like power and ports .. they could move here too we also have a 1b population(market) You are a joke. The Chinese middle class comprises of 420million people - That is more than the entire population of America. McKinsey predicts 75% of the urban population will be termed as middle class in 2022.  The U.S. has taken the path of —deregulation, anti-labor laws, free trade, privatization, slashing social services, and letting banks run wild on speculation. The purpose was to enrich the top 1% by cutting labor costs through offshoring, and other programs. China did the opposite—it built up manufacturing, continued to heavily regulate the economy and plan for it, maintained a nationalized financial system, and has been implementing retirement and healthcare benefits for its people. The results speak for themselves  Boeing building a factory from scratch involved money expertise and labor no? Where else has Boeing operated. I know they opened a plant in China in December even with the tariff noise. Note companies will always take the easy way out. Pass that extra bill to the consumer. If anything, China will manipulate the Yuan Tesla One thing you don't understand is that majority/all manufacturing done in China by foreign companies are basically assembly lines, not high-tech manufacturing. These manufacturing are not done by trained engineers, they are done by cheap, not educated, Chinese population. You are basically trained to clue things together. It takes a week or so to train these kinds of labor. Apple for instant does all the design work in California and ship parts and Chips from other US based high tech manufactures to China for assembly.  Who brain washed you brother? When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kingfisher wrote:If they are doing 16% now, what makes you imagine they cant do 100% in a few years and start exporting? If they had purposed to do 40% by 2020, now that someone is stepping on their toes what do you expect? This will be accelerated and the current suppliers will be the losers in 2 or so years. And with the current pressure, this will be accelerated faster!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 489
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The only loser in the long run here is the US.
As M7 said recently wrt the spat with Rwanda, "you can't stop people from trading; they will find a way around the restrictions".
Trump is only charting the way for other countries and businesses to be less reliant on the US.
From Iran to Venezuela to Cuba to North Korea to Russia to China...when you pick a such plentiful plate of enemies,its only a matter before you choke on something.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,585
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kingfisher wrote:If they are doing 16% now, what makes you imagine they cant do 100% in a few years and start exporting? If they had purposed to do 40% by 2020, now that someone is stepping on their toes what do you expect? This will be accelerated and the current suppliers will be the losers in 2 or so years. Simple, Government cannot be "innovators" and "entrepreneurs", China copies everything and will always lag behind, and it's 8% not 16% and it's copied technology which others care less about like some basic transistors and memory chips with kidogo power. Probably Kenya will move ahead of China, a small country like Israel controls and contributes more to technology than China and will continue to do so forever...even Kenya may leap frog China. What original technology do you use yourself that has originated in China?, copying and developing technology are different things. In the 2020 you are talking about China will be struggling to 'copy' the self driving cars, artificial intelligence and mapping software being developed in other countries, the smart phone market BTW is headed to stagnation and sales are dropping, watu wameshamaliza kulia hapo. BTW i use huawei, i use quality ingco chinese tools in my workshop just as Kenyans we had to settle for SGR because of poverty and ignorance not out of choice e.t.c but i would rather use bosch, makita, Dewalt, craftsman e.t.c they at times copy well and give a good bargain but that's mostly it. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/22/2009 Posts: 206
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Much Know wrote:kingfisher wrote:If they are doing 16% now, what makes you imagine they cant do 100% in a few years and start exporting? If they had purposed to do 40% by 2020, now that someone is stepping on their toes what do you expect? This will be accelerated and the current suppliers will be the losers in 2 or so years. Simple, Government cannot be "innovators" and "entrepreneurs", China copies everything and will always lag behind, and it's 8% not 16% and it's copied technology which others care less about like some basic transistors and memory chips with kidogo power. Probably Kenya will move ahead of China, a small country like Israel controls and contributes more to technology than China and will continue to do so forever...even Kenya may leap frog China. What original technology do you use yourself that has originated in China?, copying and developing technology are different things. In the 2020 you are talking about China will be struggling to 'copy' the self driving cars, artificial intelligence and mapping software being developed in other countries, the smart phone market BTW is headed to stagnation and sales are dropping, watu wameshamaliza kulia hapo. BTW i use huawei, i use quality ingco chinese tools in my workshop just as Kenyans we had to settle for SGR because of poverty and ignorance not out of choice e.t.c but i would rather use bosch, makita, Dewalt, craftsman e.t.c they at times copy well and give a good bargain but that's mostly it. Currently, China is well ahead of the U.S. in 5G tech (the tech that will power IoT), and that's why the U.S. has resulted to strong arm tactics to try and force China to the negotiation table. At the same time, China is gaining rapidly on the U.S. in terms of other tech. For example, the biggest consumer drone company today is Chinese DJI, and based on the tech tournaments that DJI organizes, Chinese universities are, actually, ahead of U.S. universities on the front, too. When it comes to smartphones, only Samsung is ahead of Huawei.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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US has temporarily lifted the ban on Huawei. I wonder why...
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/17/2008 Posts: 489
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TNT wrote:Much Know wrote:kingfisher wrote:If they are doing 16% now, what makes you imagine they cant do 100% in a few years and start exporting? If they had purposed to do 40% by 2020, now that someone is stepping on their toes what do you expect? This will be accelerated and the current suppliers will be the losers in 2 or so years. Simple, Government cannot be "innovators" and "entrepreneurs", China copies everything and will always lag behind, and it's 8% not 16% and it's copied technology which others care less about like some basic transistors and memory chips with kidogo power. Probably Kenya will move ahead of China, a small country like Israel controls and contributes more to technology than China and will continue to do so forever...even Kenya may leap frog China. What original technology do you use yourself that has originated in China?, copying and developing technology are different things. In the 2020 you are talking about China will be struggling to 'copy' the self driving cars, artificial intelligence and mapping software being developed in other countries, the smart phone market BTW is headed to stagnation and sales are dropping, watu wameshamaliza kulia hapo. BTW i use huawei, i use quality ingco chinese tools in my workshop just as Kenyans we had to settle for SGR because of poverty and ignorance not out of choice e.t.c but i would rather use bosch, makita, Dewalt, craftsman e.t.c they at times copy well and give a good bargain but that's mostly it. Currently, China is well ahead of the U.S. in 5G tech (the tech that will power IoT), and that's why the U.S. has resulted to strong arm tactics to try and force China to the negotiation table. At the same time, China is gaining rapidly on the U.S. in terms of other tech. For example, the biggest consumer drone company today is Chinese DJI, and based on the tech tournaments that DJI organizes, Chinese universities are, actually, ahead of U.S. universities on the front, too. When it comes to smartphones, only Samsung is ahead of Huawei. And it's quite smart of the Chinese to copy. That's how, largely, they have managed to close the industrial gap with the West within record time. R&D is very expensive and there's no case for reinventing the wheel. And there's evidence they are getting ahead in certain areas. Huawei is a case study.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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Much Know wrote:kingfisher wrote:If they are doing 16% now, what makes you imagine they cant do 100% in a few years and start exporting? If they had purposed to do 40% by 2020, now that someone is stepping on their toes what do you expect? This will be accelerated and the current suppliers will be the losers in 2 or so years. Simple, Government cannot be "innovators" and "entrepreneurs", China copies everything and will always lag behind, and it's 8% not 16% and it's copied technology which others care less about like some basic transistors and memory chips with kidogo power. Probably Kenya will move ahead of China, a small country like Israel controls and contributes more to technology than China and will continue to do so forever...even Kenya may leap frog China. What original technology do you use yourself that has originated in China?, copying and developing technology are different things. In the 2020 you are talking about China will be struggling to 'copy' the self driving cars, artificial intelligence and mapping software being developed in other countries, the smart phone market BTW is headed to stagnation and sales are dropping, watu wameshamaliza kulia hapo. BTW i use huawei, i use quality ingco chinese tools in my workshop just as Kenyans we had to settle for SGR because of poverty and ignorance not out of choice e.t.c but i would rather use bosch, makita, Dewalt, craftsman e.t.c they at times copy well and give a good bargain but that's mostly it. If that war the case then why then all this worry by the americanos? When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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