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DJ CK, It will be well...
masukuma
#71 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:47:41 PM
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Mukiri wrote:

So it is ok for you is @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with your wife? It is not illegal.

Sharks are buying maize from Uganda @1,800, selling it to NPCB @3,200 for Wanjiku to buy the 70 bob maize @200Sad

Here is the deal... you always size up something OK? it may not be illegal but that does not mean it does not have consequences! the consequences will be illegal acts performed on @Swenani's! Same to exploiting the system... if you legally exploit the system - don't expect people to love you! if you end up being a shark and buying maize from uganda and selling it to NPCB (willing buyer/ willing seller) don't expect people to love you. People will always have the 'tall poppy syndrome' and it's fine! let them bitch! complain... say the reason you are rich is because you are stealing from them... as long as it's legal and you can defend yourself from acts of people who feel sour (as I would feel sour when @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with my wife) - MORE POWER TO YOU! midomo ni za kuongea!
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AlphDoti
#72 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 5:46:12 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
The fact of the matter is that when Jomo Kenyatta and others were at University in London and Uganda in the 1930's most wazuans grandfathers were illiterate hunters and gatherers walking naked chasing after antelopes and wild rats and eating figs with no foresight of what the future would be.By 1930, guys like old Jomo were already conversant with ideas of land and labour as factors of production. In these early days, the so called thieves had already grasped the concept of wealth in the context of the 19th century world while their peers in Kenyan hinterland still believed that wealth was all about how many wives one had etc.

I can wager 100% that if my grandfather was an educated man in the 1930's then, today i(his descendant) would be a member of Kenya's aristocrat class of akina Odinga, Kenyatta, Moi and others. Furthermore, i can wager that jealous wazuans would be calling my grandfather a thief for being in the right place(educated) at the right time(when resources were abundant and people were ignorant and only focused on witchcraft and other retrogressive activities)...Seeing that CK is 80 years old, i would imagine by 1963 he was already a man with his senses and ambition.One hundred bob invested in 1963 compounded at a modest 5% per annum would make him a millionaire today.

So your idea of the concept of wealth is to take country's resources and use it to acquire personal wealth?

Quote:
Jomo Kenyatta's nationalist credentials were further undermined by the fact that during his presidency, he became the biggest land owner in Kenya when he acquired over 500,000 acres of land. Besides, he made it his top priority to punish and neutralize freedom fighters who questioned his political practices.
Fyatu
#73 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:25:10 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
The fact of the matter is that when Jomo Kenyatta and others were at University in London and Uganda in the 1930's most wazuans grandfathers were illiterate hunters and gatherers walking naked chasing after antelopes and wild rats and eating figs with no foresight of what the future would be.By 1930, guys like old Jomo were already conversant with ideas of land and labour as factors of production. In these early days, the so called thieves had already grasped the concept of wealth in the context of the 19th century world while their peers in Kenyan hinterland still believed that wealth was all about how many wives one had etc.

I can wager 100% that if my grandfather was an educated man in the 1930's then, today i(his descendant) would be a member of Kenya's aristocrat class of akina Odinga, Kenyatta, Moi and others. Furthermore, i can wager that jealous wazuans would be calling my grandfather a thief for being in the right place(educated) at the right time(when resources were abundant and people were ignorant and only focused on witchcraft and other retrogressive activities)...Seeing that CK is 80 years old, i would imagine by 1963 he was already a man with his senses and ambition.One hundred bob invested in 1963 compounded at a modest 5% per annum would make him a millionaire today.

So your idea of the concept of wealth is to take country's resources and use it to acquire personal wealth?

Quote:
Jomo Kenyatta's nationalist credentials were further undermined by the fact that during his presidency, he became the biggest land owner in Kenya when he acquired over 500,000 acres of land. Besides, he made it his top priority to punish and neutralize freedom fighters who questioned his political practices.


You miss the point. I am not claiming/suggetsing that old Jomo was safi kama pamba. Infact, iam not claiming that i knew him. I am just imagining if i was an educated young man in those days i would be rich today. Chances are i would have been PS or District Commisioner. If you investigate you will discover that most educated Kenyans of those days (1960s) held senior positions in Government(suggesting more purchasing power than ordinary folk). People like Kibaki and Mboya amongst others held cabinet positions in their thirties etc. This was a time that a law was set in parliament to "Africanise" most of the assets held by Mubeberu. I bet that if you @AlphDoti and myself @Fyatu or the capitalist wazuans of the blue section were the educated Africans of the 1960's, we would be multi millionaires/billionaires today. Simply by buying huge stakes in some companies e.g., EABL and offcourse purchasing/investing in vast 'cultivated' lands that were available then in great supply. Not because we do not care about other Kenyans, but because we are in a capitalist country and our collective ideology as human beings is capitalism..
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Mukiri
#74 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:01:25 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
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masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

So it is ok for you is @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with your wife? It is not illegal.

Sharks are buying maize from Uganda @1,800, selling it to NPCB @3,200 for Wanjiku to buy the 70 bob maize @200Sad

Here is the deal... you always size up something OK? it may not be illegal but that does not mean it does not have consequences! the consequences will be illegal acts performed on @Swenani's! Same to exploiting the system... if you legally exploit the system - don't expect people to love you! if you end up being a shark and buying maize from uganda and selling it to NPCB (willing buyer/ willing seller) don't expect people to love you. People will always have the 'tall poppy syndrome' and it's fine! let them bitch! complain... say the reason you are rich is because you are stealing from them... as long as it's legal and you can defend yourself from acts of people who feel sour (as I would feel sour when @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with my wife) - MORE POWER TO YOU! midomo ni za kuongea!

Kweli, we live in a man-eat-man society. Everybody for himself and God for us all? However, and not to diverge from the topic at hand, if you are the CEO of Kenatco, it goes down and the next minute you are buying International house, you cannot tell me that you took advantage of a situation!Shame on you Your holding company becomes majority shareholder of a blossoming supermarket.. in time you become chief supplier of its products and before people can ask woristhis!? the blossoming supermarket is on its knees delisted from the stock market! Is that the tall poppy syndrome?Shame on you If we don't call spades what they are, we'd be setting ourselves up for future economic crimes..

Kimunya sold out Safcom to Musungu during IPO, at the expense of Wanjiku, leaving a sour taste. When he was sacked and fell sick, not many were sympathetic. Same case with Louis Otieno after the death of a certain Madam. Nobody is celebrating misfortune, moreover nobody is an angel... I might have worse 'sins', but you can't help it when people how your actions made them suffer. Make your money, but not to the detriment of others

Proverbs 19:21
alma1
#75 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:33:47 PM
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Joined: 9/19/2015
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Mukiri wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

So it is ok for you is @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with your wife? It is not illegal.

Sharks are buying maize from Uganda @1,800, selling it to NPCB @3,200 for Wanjiku to buy the 70 bob maize @200Sad

Here is the deal... you always size up something OK? it may not be illegal but that does not mean it does not have consequences! the consequences will be illegal acts performed on @Swenani's! Same to exploiting the system... if you legally exploit the system - don't expect people to love you! if you end up being a shark and buying maize from uganda and selling it to NPCB (willing buyer/ willing seller) don't expect people to love you. People will always have the 'tall poppy syndrome' and it's fine! let them bitch! complain... say the reason you are rich is because you are stealing from them... as long as it's legal and you can defend yourself from acts of people who feel sour (as I would feel sour when @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with my wife) - MORE POWER TO YOU! midomo ni za kuongea!

Kweli, we live in a man-eat-man society. Everybody for himself and God for us all? However, and not to diverge from the topic at hand, if you are the CEO of Kenatco, it goes down and the next minute you are buying International house, you cannot tell me that you took advantage of a situation!Shame on you Your holding company becomes majority shareholder of a blossoming supermarket.. in time you become chief supplier of its products and before people can ask woristhis!? the blossoming supermarket is on its knees delisted from the stock market! Is that the tall poppy syndrome?Shame on you If we don't call spades what they are, we'd be setting ourselves up for future economic crimes..

Kimunya sold out Safcom to Musungu during IPO, at the expense of Wanjiku, leaving a sour taste. When he was sacked and fell sick, not many were sympathetic. Same case with Louis Otieno after the death of a certain Madam. Nobody is celebrating misfortune, moreover nobody is an angel... I might have worse 'sins', but you can't help it when people how your actions made them suffer. Make your money, but not to the detriment of others


Mukiri, if you of the church are giving up on Kenya calling it a man eat man society, sisi watu wa viceroy je?

You need to understand that Kenyans are so used to stealing they actually believe that that is what human beings do for a living.

A Kenyan policeman cannot believe that there is a policeman on this earth who has never taken a bribe. A Kenyan woman who got promoted using Friday night manenos can't believe that it's possible to succeed simply because you are good at your job.

So here is where CK becomes interesting. The history of his dealings with Kenyan companies is there for all and sundry. Rumor had it during my time that there was no panty left unturned in that building.

But now we have a cocoon of fellas who want to paint his wealth as God given and right. nkt!

You can buy a lot of PR companies but I really doubt you can bribe your way into heaven. Ama namna gani Mukiri?
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Mukiri
#76 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:49:15 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
alma1 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

So it is ok for you is @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with your wife? It is not illegal.

Sharks are buying maize from Uganda @1,800, selling it to NPCB @3,200 for Wanjiku to buy the 70 bob maize @200Sad

Here is the deal... you always size up something OK? it may not be illegal but that does not mean it does not have consequences! the consequences will be illegal acts performed on @Swenani's! Same to exploiting the system... if you legally exploit the system - don't expect people to love you! if you end up being a shark and buying maize from uganda and selling it to NPCB (willing buyer/ willing seller) don't expect people to love you. People will always have the 'tall poppy syndrome' and it's fine! let them bitch! complain... say the reason you are rich is because you are stealing from them... as long as it's legal and you can defend yourself from acts of people who feel sour (as I would feel sour when @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with my wife) - MORE POWER TO YOU! midomo ni za kuongea!

Kweli, we live in a man-eat-man society. Everybody for himself and God for us all? However, and not to diverge from the topic at hand, if you are the CEO of Kenatco, it goes down and the next minute you are buying International house, you cannot tell me that you took advantage of a situation!Shame on you Your holding company becomes majority shareholder of a blossoming supermarket.. in time you become chief supplier of its products and before people can ask woristhis!? the blossoming supermarket is on its knees delisted from the stock market! Is that the tall poppy syndrome?Shame on you If we don't call spades what they are, we'd be setting ourselves up for future economic crimes..

Kimunya sold out Safcom to Musungu during IPO, at the expense of Wanjiku, leaving a sour taste. When he was sacked and fell sick, not many were sympathetic. Same case with Louis Otieno after the death of a certain Madam. Nobody is celebrating misfortune, moreover nobody is an angel... I might have worse 'sins', but you can't help it when people how your actions made them suffer. Make your money, but not to the detriment of others


Mukiri, if you of the church are giving up on Kenya calling it a man eat man society, sisi watu wa viceroy je?

You need to understand that Kenyans are so used to stealing they actually believe that that is what human beings do for a living.

A Kenyan policeman cannot believe that there is a policeman on this earth who has never taken a bribe. A Kenyan woman who got promoted using Friday night manenos can't believe that it's possible to succeed simply because you are good at your job.

So here is where CK becomes interesting. The history of his dealings with Kenyan companies is there for all and sundry. Rumor had it during my time that there was no panty left unturned in that building.

But now we have a cocoon of fellas who want to paint his wealth as God given and right. nkt!

You can buy a lot of PR companies but I really doubt you can bribe your way into heaven. Ama namna gani Mukiri?

Hapo sasasmile

Proverbs 19:21
hardwood
#77 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:15:47 PM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
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Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
AlphDoti wrote:

So your idea of the concept of wealth is to take country's resources and use it to acquire personal wealth?

Quote:
Jomo Kenyatta's nationalist credentials were further undermined by the fact that during his presidency, he became the biggest land owner in Kenya when he acquired over 500,000 acres of land. Besides, he made it his top priority to punish and neutralize freedom fighters who questioned his political practices.


This lie about kenyarra owning 500,000 acres has been repeated so many times mpaka some gullible kenyans like @alpha believe it. It's all campaign propaganda by ODM. For instance they say kenyarras own 1000 acres hapo dagoreti while in actual fact it is less than 10 acres where jomos first wife used to live. You can drive there and see for yourself or check on google maps/earth.

The kenyarras actually own less than 40,000 acres as you can see below. Compare that with delamere who owns 100,000 acres, Basil criticos 72,000 acres or wazungus in laikipia who own >100,000 acres. Or biwott 60,000 acres. Jomo with his many wives and children is actually quite poor when it comes to land.

Kenyarra land:

1. 24, 000 acres in Taveta
2. 8, 000 acres in Kahawa Sukari
3. 1,000 acre Gatundu
4. 50 acres Thika blue post
5. 900 acres in kasarani mwiki
6. 1, 000-acre in Naivasha
7. 2,000-acre farm in Rongai Nakuru
8. 1, 000 acre farm in Rumuruti
9. 400 acre farm in kitale
10. 10 acre in Dagoretti owned by Kenyatta’s first wife Wahu
Total 38,360 acres.

Kwanza that taveta land is in a very arid area (next to tsavo park) and kenyarras neighbour Basil criticos grows sisal since nothing else can grow there. Kenyaraa farm survives by irrigation.
Fyatu
#78 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:02:03 PM
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Might this kizungu mingi be a true account of events at KENATCO?

LINK

Again, i insist, if only my grandfather was not hunter-gatherer and be entrepreneurial as the man who conceived the idea of KENATCO in the 60's and other pioneer African business men of the time
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
hardwood
#79 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:33:15 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
Might this kizungu mingi be a true account of events at KENATCO?

LINK

Again, i insist, if only my grandfather was not hunter-gatherer and be entrepreneurial as the man who conceived the idea of KENATCO in the 60's and other pioneer African business men of the time


Kirubi ako safi kama pamba.
masukuma
#80 Posted : Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:56:15 AM
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my point is - you are well within your right to sulk and whisper nasties when someone gets rich by EXPLOITING THE SYSTEM. ni sawa... but just because you sulk and are offended does not make it a crime.
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