limanika wrote:alma1 wrote:hardwood wrote:limanika wrote:And the western envoys, while we appreciate their support, could they tell us which of the proposed ammendments is not good and in what way rather than issuing blanket disaapproval. We're willing to look at specifics, but let them not be naive or underestimate what mischief aliar is capable of
There is absolutely nothing wrong with amending the law to say that those returning officers who refuse or fail to sign forms be charged in court. Unless baba had planned to ensure some officers refuse to sign. As we saw on 8/8 some failed to sign or stamp the forms. Also nothing wrong with saying that if chebukati becomes indisposed or resigns then someone else can declare the presidential results. The IEBC like any other institution is supposed to run smoothly even when one officer isnt no available to attend to his/her duties. Also nothing wrong in putting it in law that when 3G or 4G fails you can rely on the manual/physical form 34A&Bs. That is common sense. Parliament is only putting common sense into the election laws.
Hardwood, I know the fear of Raila is real. But that doesn't mean that we do things without thinking.
I asked on this forum if anyone had read the thing and no one answered. Just sending screenshots made by Pauline Njoroge.
I read one part
The part where if a returning officer refuses to sign then he is criminally liable. It looks ok, doesn't it?
Now think very carefully because this has been done before in this very country Kenya under man Kanu ni baba na mama.
What if the presiding officer counts 20. Then he's somewhere deep in Ruto country and he's told sema 30. All the agents deep in Ruto country say they saw 30 and proceed to sign. The presiding officer is then reminded that if he doesn't sign 30, yeye anaenda jela. Don't say it can happen, because obviously you never grew up in Kanu.
I didn't bother reading the rest. Presiding officers under Moi were under duress to sign forms. Now we are legalizing duress in the name of finishing Raila.
Boss, life is a very strange thing. Don't create laws to finish Raila. Wewe mwenyewe ndie utaumia. Like your cousin who voted for Jubilee who has now been sent home. Mtaumia nyinyi wenyewe.
The last election was invalidated partly because some RO's and PO's failed or refused to sign or stamp forms. Are you saying we should entertain possibility of having some forms not signed / stamped and then risk the fresh election being invalidated? And by the way, the amendment is meant to t
ake care of rogue/partisan ROs and PO's who can take advantage of scork ruling just to have the fresh election nullified.
The law is meant to work for us. If situation changes in future or people take advantage we can still amend the law or make it more comprehensive to suit the situation. Even 1000yrs from now, parliament will still be making/amending laws to cater for prevailing and emerging circumstances.
Boss. Laws are not created by lying to yourself or even trying to f*** the other guys. At least good laws aren't meant to be created that way. It didn't even take me 5 minutes to find a problem with that one article. There are others which I decided that my time is better spent with other issues.
You have proved nowhere in your diatribes on wazua that any rogue RO's existed. If they did, why aren't they in court as we speak? Ama the police are busy beating up university students? You do know that there already exists a law right now as we speak about rogue RO's. Ama you forgot to read it?
This one here reads like it was written by one of the wazua posters. This is basically a Raila law to be honest.
Quote:Quote:where only one candidate remains
after the withdrawal, the remaining
candidate shall be declared elected
forthwith as the President-elect
without any election being held.
The fear of that other thread of Raila refusing to participate. I can assure you that it won't pass the high court in terms of constitutionality. Simply because elections are not for Raila or Uhuru. They are about me the voter. I have to have my choice.
You can't force a choice on me willy nilly. What if Raila hongas Uhuru and Uhuru resigns? It has happened before in Kenya you know. Ask Kanu. So all that will need to happen in 2022 is a bunch of guys saying they are running then someone hongas them and we are stuck with one fellow.
Be serious. Even within the current laws, IEBC fails. Now you want to create other laws to force IEBC not to fail? It's like a teacher lowering the pass mark because people failed. The student still failed.
Go back to parliament and do what parliamentarians are supposed to do. Create laws that serve everyone even those that don't and will never vote for Uhuru.
No one has denied the majority the right to change laws. But if this is the stuff you are coming up with, then you need to get people without goggles helping you craft real Kenyan laws.
Not the raira charo nefa be laws.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?