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hardwood
#71 Posted : Monday, November 06, 2017 9:22:51 AM
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How are the police supposed to deal with hawa watu? Everyone remembers kapedo and suguta valley.

https://www.standardmedi...-highest-loss-to-police




Kusadikika
#72 Posted : Monday, November 06, 2017 5:11:18 PM
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People in Central Kenya took up arms to fight for independence because of being treated like this by the colonial government. The current Kenya government needs to find a better way of dealing with pastoralist communities. Listen to them and deal with them fairly because they are human beings. If that is too hard for hardliners like hardwood to swallow deal with them fairly because they have guns. Nobody wins in a war.

Treating the Samburu like this is just wrong:

http://www.businessdaily...5068-12gch3r/index.html

hardwood
#73 Posted : Monday, November 06, 2017 7:20:40 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
People in Central Kenya took up arms to fight for independence because of being treated like this by the colonial government. The current Kenya government needs to find a better way of dealing with pastoralist communities. Listen to them and deal with them fairly because they are human beings. If that is too hard for hardliners like hardwood to swallow deal with them fairly because they have guns. Nobody wins in a war.

Treating the Samburu like this is just wrong:

http://www.businessdaily...5068-12gch3r/index.html



We need a "stand your ground" law like in the US and we should arm all kenyans so that they can defend themselves from intruders, like these pastoralists. That way even the small holder farmers can defend themselves. How can armed raiders storm your home and rape your wife and daughter as you watch, then steal your cows and goats? Then you say that we should listen to them and handle them fairly because that is their lifestyle? Are you mad? The only way to handle them should be a bullet in the head.

https://en.wikipedia.org...i/Stand-your-ground_law

http://www.nation.co.ke/...xhtml-bdp8qrz/index.html
Dahatre
#74 Posted : Monday, November 06, 2017 7:54:11 PM
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Again I ask--On whose land were these pastrolists trespassing?
Dahatre
#75 Posted : Monday, November 06, 2017 8:17:06 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
People in Central Kenya took up arms to fight for independence because of being treated like this by the colonial government. The current Kenya government needs to find a better way of dealing with pastoralist communities. Listen to them and deal with them fairly because they are human beings. If that is too hard for hardliners like hardwood to swallow deal with them fairly because they have guns. Nobody wins in a war.

Treating the Samburu like this is just wrong:

http://www.businessdaily...5068-12gch3r/index.html


We will wake up one of these days and find ourselves recolonized..The colonizers aided by our government.
Remember Boris Johnson jetting in here with 500M in drought aid?
I bet that was money to enhance "security" to keep the wazungu occupying lapsset land from bolting, before the extraction of oil in Turkana and SS starts.
hardwood
#76 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 10:36:55 AM
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Dahatre wrote:
Again I ask--On whose land were these pastrolists trespassing?



http://www.nation.co.ke/...184418-brdlq1/index.html
AlphDoti
#77 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 12:14:50 PM
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Dahatre wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
People in Central Kenya took up arms to fight for independence because of being treated like this by the colonial government. The current Kenya government needs to find a better way of dealing with pastoralist communities. Listen to them and deal with them fairly because they are human beings. If that is too hard for hardliners like hardwood to swallow deal with them fairly because they have guns. Nobody wins in a war.

Treating the Samburu like this is just wrong:

http://www.businessdaily...5068-12gch3r/index.html


We will wake up one of these days and find ourselves recolonized..The colonizers aided by our government.
Remember Boris Johnson jetting in here with 500M in drought aid?
I bet that was money to enhance "security" to keep the wazungu occupying lapsset land from bolting, before the extraction of oil in Turkana and SS starts.

@Dahatre at this rate, this is a possibility... Remember we were colonized before thanks to collaborators! It took so much deaths to reclaim our dignity... which we're now "reselling"...
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#78 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 12:23:37 PM
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Dahatre wrote:
Again I ask--On whose land were these pastrolists trespassing?

Land owners with title?

If we are to be okay with these raids, we must be okay with raids in other areas as well. Should a Maasai guy drive his cows to Karen/Kitengela/Naivasha/Ongata Rongai/Ngong because it's ancestral land?
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Nandwa
#79 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 10:39:40 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
People in Central Kenya took up arms to fight for independence because of being treated like this by the colonial government. The current Kenya government needs to find a better way of dealing with pastoralist communities. Listen to them and deal with them fairly because they are human beings. If that is too hard for hardliners like hardwood to swallow deal with them fairly because they have guns. Nobody wins in a war.

Treating the Samburu like this is just wrong:

http://www.businessdaily...5068-12gch3r/index.html


We will wake up one of these days and find ourselves recolonized..The colonizers aided by our government.
Remember Boris Johnson jetting in here with 500M in drought aid?
I bet that was money to enhance "security" to keep the wazungu occupying lapsset land from bolting, before the extraction of oil in Turkana and SS starts.

@Dahatre at this rate, this is a possibility... Remember we were colonized before thanks to collaborators! It took so much deaths to reclaim our dignity... which we're now "reselling"...

This reminds me of what one Imam was reported in the media earlier today admonishing RAO for traveling to US/UK to bad-mouth Kenya.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
FRM2011
#80 Posted : Tuesday, November 14, 2017 10:56:57 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
quicksand wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
[quote=sanity][quote=hardwood][quote=Kusadikika][quote=hardwood][quote=Kusadikika][quote=simonkabz]

Sorry, for now the govt cannot interfere with the pokots as they are looking for their votes. The mzungu's are too few for their votes to count while the kiuks in Laikipia are already mortgaged to the govt party so they will have to wait till after elections.


You are right. Won't be surprised if they are hit mercilessly after the election, moreso if UMK gets back.


The Pokot are not Mungiki. The Mungiki were kawaida people who in their later years decided to engage in Mungiki activities. A Pokot in the plains of Baringo or Laikipia does not know any other way of life. The life of herding his cattle, taking it where there is pasture and water and protecting what he has by any means necessary and raiding neighboring communities to get more is HIS LIFE. That is how they know how live, that is how they live.

If anybody in government makes any decision to deal with the problem, this is what they must deal with. A people's way of life.

In my opinion the most effective way to deal with this would be construct water pans and drill bore holes all over the Pokot territory in West Pokot, Baringo and Laikipia. Taking up arms or engaging KDF would be a grave mistake that would only kick the can down the road.

Water pans and boreholes won't regrow pastures burned off by drought.
An idealist is one who when his ideas about life collide with reality insists it is reality which must change. A hundred years ago just about everybody in Africa used to run around half naked in leather sarongs, circumcising girls, burning off forests and savannas to cultivate, spearing lions as a rite of passage...among other things.
Can't do that anymore. Hey presto! It is the 21st century. It arrived for everyone, including the Pokot, and we all have to hustle along with it. I don't know where you get the idea that these pastoralists are justified to take up arms and mow down the rest of the Kenyans.



Since we are all nice modern 21st Century people and we have a capable and modern army with equipment why don't we just kill all of them and get rid of them once and for all? The Pokot do not have newspapers, TV, Radio and internet to cry out to the rest of the world the atrocities that have been committed against their way of life so the only one sided story we have is that they are savages who are mowing down the rest of Kenyans.

Drought comes and goes. Water pans and boreholes will mitigate the effects of future droughts not solve the problems of the current drought.


21st century or not my point is that no indigenous Kenyan is more Kenyan than another and for far too long sedentary Kenyans have had nothing but contempt for the pastoralist Kenyans only because they can sit down at their desks and draw up maps and then trick whole populations out of their land. I cannot with any conscience be on the side of Kuki Gallman against the Pokot. Sorry. The government must deal with the Pokot as people and not a nuisance.


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