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tycho
#71 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:00:50 PM
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masukuma wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:

Even when you talk of individual decisions that can make you succeed you cannot ignore the environment one is born in.You cannot say a child that is born in Kibera and the one born in Muthaiga have equal opportunities.The child in Kibera has to work 3 or 4 times more than that born in Muthaiga to make it in life.That doesn't mean we ignore that the if the parent living in muthaiga is the reason someone else is living in Kibera we don't call him out. Spade needs to be called a spade.

yes... you find yourself wherever you find yourself - that's the accident of birth and so the guy in kibich should start working 3-4 times as hard early instead of wasting time blaming his parents for decisions they took or worse blaming people he has never met for decisions they took.... unknown to them that some of those bad decisions led to the complainant being here to complain... in their stead would have been some more good looking characters not giving us grief on the internet coz the dad/mum would have opted for better looking partners coz alikuwa na kapesa... so watu wasonge mbele!!


Give an example of how a muhoi from Kibich can work 3 times harder.
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masukuma
#72 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:12:44 PM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:

Even when you talk of individual decisions that can make you succeed you cannot ignore the environment one is born in.You cannot say a child that is born in Kibera and the one born in Muthaiga have equal opportunities.The child in Kibera has to work 3 or 4 times more than that born in Muthaiga to make it in life.That doesn't mean we ignore that the if the parent living in muthaiga is the reason someone else is living in Kibera we don't call him out. Spade needs to be called a spade.

yes... you find yourself wherever you find yourself - that's the accident of birth and so the guy in kibich should start working 3-4 times as hard early instead of wasting time blaming his parents for decisions they took or worse blaming people he has never met for decisions they took.... unknown to them that some of those bad decisions led to the complainant being here to complain... in their stead would have been some more good looking characters not giving us grief on the internet coz the dad/mum would have opted for better looking partners coz alikuwa na kapesa... so watu wasonge mbele!!


Give an example of how a muhoi from Kibich can work 3 times harder.

ask @reborn
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masukuma
#73 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:15:24 PM
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Something unrelated - if you have eyesight(and possibility a brain) like mine "maumau fiasco" looks like "mafisi sacco" on a small screen device.
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PeterReborn
#74 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 7:54:46 AM
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masukuma wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:

Even when you talk of individual decisions that can make you succeed you cannot ignore the environment one is born in.You cannot say a child that is born in Kibera and the one born in Muthaiga have equal opportunities.The child in Kibera has to work 3 or 4 times more than that born in Muthaiga to make it in life.That doesn't mean we ignore that the if the parent living in muthaiga is the reason someone else is living in Kibera we don't call him out. Spade needs to be called a spade.

yes... you find yourself wherever you find yourself - that's the accident of birth and so the guy in kibich should start working 3-4 times as hard early instead of wasting time blaming his parents for decisions they took or worse blaming people he has never met for decisions they took.... unknown to them that some of those bad decisions led to the complainant being here to complain... in their stead would have been some more good looking characters not giving us grief on the internet coz the dad/mum would have opted for better looking partners coz alikuwa na kapesa... so watu wasonge mbele!!

Are you blaming the poor for being poor?Are you saying that he is poor because he is lazy?Shame on you Shame on you Hii mambo ya accepting and moving on is what caused the PEV of 2007.The maumau fiasco is a historical injustice.
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PeterReborn
#75 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:03:08 AM
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Fyatu wrote:


while your grandfather was hunting and gathering and running half naked chasing after monkeys in bliss, the maumau had already started carrying guns and even knew how to make them while in the forest fighting for their land (white highlands no more). Mind you Kenya was not named after kit mikayi or luanda k'onyango or a random swamp....it came from the word Kirinyaga. I call on all okuyos on wazua to make sure they identify which of the nine clans they belong. Trace your roots and only then will you know who you are and what your ancestors were made of and most importantly that Agikuyus are not sitting ducks.They are capable of organizing and executing plans. Afterall, the mubeberu formed the Kenyan State as we know it after signing a peace treaty between the warring Maasai and Agikuyus and immediately alienated their land.

How does knowing my clan add value to my life?
Nyumba is sitting duck. Look at the PEV 2007.They were completely screwed and yet they had the uthamaki.Only anake came to their rescue.
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PeterReborn
#76 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:08:01 AM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:

Even when you talk of individual decisions that can make you succeed you cannot ignore the environment one is born in.You cannot say a child that is born in Kibera and the one born in Muthaiga have equal opportunities.The child in Kibera has to work 3 or 4 times more than that born in Muthaiga to make it in life.That doesn't mean we ignore that the if the parent living in muthaiga is the reason someone else is living in Kibera we don't call him out. Spade needs to be called a spade.

yes... you find yourself wherever you find yourself - that's the accident of birth and so the guy in kibich should start working 3-4 times as hard early instead of wasting time blaming his parents for decisions they took or worse blaming people he has never met for decisions they took.... unknown to them that some of those bad decisions led to the complainant being here to complain... in their stead would have been some more good looking characters not giving us grief on the internet coz the dad/mum would have opted for better looking partners coz alikuwa na kapesa... so watu wasonge mbele!!


Give an example of how a muhoi from Kibich can work 3 times harder.

ask @reborn

He will have to work harder than the fellow in muthaiga.But maybe he even doesn't have a job Sad
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masukuma
#77 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:23 AM
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PeterReborn wrote:

Are you blaming the poor for being poor?Are you saying that he is poor because he is lazy?Shame on you Shame on you Hii mambo ya accepting and moving on is what caused the PEV of 2007.The maumau fiasco is a historical injustice.

did I say that? I just said as you said it somewhere - a poor person has options and choices to make. his are harder if he wants to escape poverty - but he should better get moving!
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PeterReborn
#78 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:43:29 AM
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masukuma wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:

Are you blaming the poor for being poor?Are you saying that he is poor because he is lazy?Shame on you Shame on you Hii mambo ya accepting and moving on is what caused the PEV of 2007.The maumau fiasco is a historical injustice.

did I say that? I just said as you said it somewhere - a poor person has options and choices to make. his are harder if he wants to escape poverty - but he should better get moving!

A poor person has no options. He can barely feed himself.Rich people have all the options.I see hundreds of Mathare residents who walk from mathare to westlands or parklands. Do you think they are walking by choice?
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masukuma
#79 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:40:48 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:

A poor person has no options. He can barely feed himself.Rich people have all the options.I see hundreds of Mathare residents who walk from mathare to westlands or parklands. Do you think they are walking by choice?

Kama hawana options pole sana kwao.... kama wameAccept hawana options ni sawa!!
you know in life - you have options and an sometimes we choose to do things that don't require anything from us now and reinforce our frames of mind. Excuses e.t.c. We can bitch about historical injustices coz it's easy to bitch about them and the more you do - the more it makes sense! the more we bitch the more we feel aggrieved and the more we feel like victims. the more we bitch the more we feel like the world owes us stuff.... so I would urge all poor people who can read this and akina @tycho and @reborn can relay to those that don't - ENDELENI VIVYO HIVYO!! endeleni kumeza sumu expecting others to die!!
While you do that - remember that this grandson of a peasant is always looking at ways to improve his lot!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma
#80 Posted : Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:07:32 PM
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I saw an NTV thingy on TV juzi... huko Kakuma. Who is lower than a refugee in a refugee camp? There was an Ethiopian Refugee making tonnes of cash there - his story? he was doing jobos with the local Turkanas there just like them - he just happened to be more prudent with his cash. End of the day - he is now minting a tonne of cash and affords to give back like 1M worth of goodies to his community at the end of the year. I cannot remember how much money he was making but like 3M a month. When asked - the Turkana man who was his colleague wakianza kazi was just giving excuses.... Listen to me STOP WITH THE EXCUSES AND DEAL WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, wacha kukunywa pesa zako or spending on useless things. Anyway the choice is yours, Even waititu alitoka huko Kibich tu... son of a nobody. Act ama ubaki hapo ukichukia wengine. Even Jomo was the son of a peasant.... ni kujipanga tu. if you think about it ... I am the grandson of a peasant and so is UK! what changed?

of course there are people here thinking... refugees... they can... blah blah blah
To which I say...
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