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Terrorists attack Paris
thuks
#71 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:06:17 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Wainadi wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
To those characters trying to introduce the actions of Lt Wadi here as heroic, please do your homework before lecturing Wazuans.

Lt Wadi asked for the killing of the President of Kenya and forceful deportation of a community in Kenya.

That is criminal in any civilized society.

It's someone's pet subject. and the standard unit. How do we compare shootings and a jailing? how? how? how?



Its called a false cause fallacy where you perceive a relationship between distinct values to mean one is the cause of the other by the master of fallacies.



Funny how a judicial process is equated to a criminal process. May be they are the same.
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jaggernaut
#72 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:11:21 PM
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Yes we always expect our policemen and intelligence services to act swiftly to stop and preferably preempt any terrorist acts but the way the French police handled the situation was hopeless, worse than even how kenyan cops handled Westgate.

So the two thugs parked their car on the road, walked to the offices, which were supposedly guarded by the police and shot the cartoonists, then walked out. The first responders were 3 cops on bikes and when they saw the AK47s they ran away. The cop who was shown on the video was in a car and was reversing to run away when they shot him. He got out of the car and started pleading for his life but the thugs finished him off. More policemen turned up but the thugs shot at them and then the thugs drove off, slowly joining the paris city traffic so as not to arouse any suspicion and disappeared.

It is unbelievable that such a thing can happen in the developed world, and in the center of Paris. This shows that confronting and stopping terrorists isnt as easy as many think, especially the "bloggers" and media. Maybe we shouldn't blame our cops so much when some kenyans are attacked in some far off bushes.
jaggernaut
#73 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:27:38 PM
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More terror in Paris...

Quote:
A police officer has been shot dead and a city employee critically injured following the shooting on the outskirts of Paris, according to local media. The incident follows police raids after the attack on the satirical Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris.

One man opened fire at two police officers, seriously injuring one, near La porte de Chatillon, Montrouge commune,south of Paris, police confirmed. Also a street sweeper has been critically wounded in the attack, reported AP.

http://rt.com/news/22077...hebdo-shooting-manhunt/



Meanwhile the suspected terrorists have struck again and robbed a petrol station. They had AK47s and rocket launchers...

Quote:
Quote:
The two main suspects in the Islamist attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris are said to have robbed a service station in the north of France.

They stole food and petrol, firing shots as they struck at the roadside stop near Villers-Cotterets in the Aisne region, French media report.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30721677
http://www.dailymail.co....RS-free-roam-Paris.html
Ric dees
#74 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:37:20 PM
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This is a very complex issue and i choose to see beyond the chaste views. This 3 guys were well trained (evidence by the way they moved, covered each other and held the AK's (defenitely some form of Military training)
However this were not lone wolves - this is part of a wider movement in the West that is just fed up of the way Muslims and Islam is portrayed. There are frightenly pararells we can compare between the perception of the Jews in the 30's (which brought about anti-semitism) and as a result the annilation that took place and what people think of Islam (Muslims)

Earlier this week 18k - 18 freeking thousand people matched i Dresden to protest against Muslims/Islam, What is strange is there hardly any muslims in Dresden or even Mosques but 18k people thought its wise to do this - rem Merkel Government is far right but rightly condemned this guys..

What this discussion has morphed into is Immigration and the consequences - the bottom line lots of people in Europe have been dis-enfranchised (overtaken by the times and by hard working Immigrants) what is happening is they are blaming Immigrants for taking their jobs and Religion, which brings me back to the situation in 1930's - people thought the jews were well to do and occupied all plum positions and there were of a " different" religion and naturally resentment grew and the rest well its well documented via the actions of one Adolf Hitler.

This is what the Muslims are feeling - i am not holding brief for them but dare i say i think i understand.

What i find hyprocritical against all of us and indeed the western media in early Dec 145 children (most were children) were killed by Taliban in Pashewar - Pakistan and what happened.... or are those lesser beings..

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
sparkly
#75 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:41:17 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
streetwise wrote:

Peace guys. I don’t think it is the religions that are the problem. It is those who are taught and have no capacity to understand the context of the lessons so much that they take them literally.

May be religion need to be taught in simpler language.

I may not agree with the teachings of Islam but I have nothing against Muslims as human beings.

The problem is falsely portraying or suggesting Islam is under attack because that can easily be used to justify terrorism.We've seen Al-shabaab and Taliban use it as an excuse to carry out their attacks.

@symbols, the only thing you've not seen is that, those terrorist groups e.g. A.l*Q.a.e.da, T.a.l.i.b.an etc are created in the name of Islam. Then, many of these atrocities those groups carry out are attributed to Islam, but when you look deeper you find that it is not really Muslims, but these groups linked back to garments like U*S*

And their activities are used to discredit true Islam teaching.

Which they have succeeded to a large extent!


These are illegitimate tactics, which are not Islamic.


Are you blaming the USA for the attack on Charlie Hebdo...
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jaggernaut
#76 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:42:07 PM
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C&P

Revenge attacks and retaliation begin: Mosques come under fire with guns and 'grenades' in France… and kebab shop near another Muslim temple is blown up

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co....n-up.html#ixzz3OF0jqE7t
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AlphDoti
#77 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:42:49 PM
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sparkly wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
symbols wrote:
streetwise wrote:

Peace guys. I don’t think it is the religions that are the problem. It is those who are taught and have no capacity to understand the context of the lessons so much that they take them literally.

May be religion need to be taught in simpler language.

I may not agree with the teachings of Islam but I have nothing against Muslims as human beings.

The problem is falsely portraying or suggesting Islam is under attack because that can easily be used to justify terrorism.We've seen Al-shabaab and Taliban use it as an excuse to carry out their attacks.

@symbols, the only thing you've not seen is that, those terrorist groups e.g. A.l*Q.a.e.da, T.a.l.i.b.an etc are created in the name of Islam. Then, many of these atrocities those groups carry out are attributed to Islam, but when you look deeper you find that it is not really Muslims, but these groups linked back to garments like U*S*

And their activities are used to discredit true Islam teaching.

Which they have succeeded to a large extent!


These are illegitimate tactics, which are not Islamic.

Are you blaming the USA for the attack on Charlie Hebdo...

@sparky, no. I'm answering to @symbols' second paragraph. It may or may not be related to the Charlie attack.
AlphDoti
#78 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:46:00 PM
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Ric dees wrote:

This is a very complex issue and i choose to see beyond the chaste views. This 3 guys were well trained (evidence by the way they moved, covered each other and held the AK's (defenitely some form of Military training)
However this were not lone wolves - this is part of a wider movement in the West that is just fed up of the way Muslims and Islam is portrayed. There are frightenly pararells we can compare between the perception of the Jews in the 30's (which brought about anti-semitism) and as a result the annilation that took place and what people think of Islam (Muslims)

Earlier this week 18k - 18 freeking thousand people matched i Dresden to protest against Muslims/Islam, What is strange is there hardly any muslims in Dresden or even Mosques but 18k people thought its wise to do this - rem Merkel Government is far right but rightly condemned this guys..

What this discussion has morphed into is Immigration and the consequences - the bottom line lots of people in Europe have been dis-enfranchised (overtaken by the times and by hard working Immigrants) what is happening is they are blaming Immigrants for taking their jobs and Religion, which brings me back to the situation in 1930's - people thought the jews were well to do and occupied all plum positions and there were of a " different" religion and naturally resentment grew and the rest well its well documented via the actions of one Adolf Hitler.

This is what the Muslims are feeling - i am not holding brief for them but dare i say i think i understand.

What i find hyprocritical against all of us and indeed the western media in early Dec 145 children (most were children) were killed by Taliban in Pashewar - Pakistan and what happened.... or are those lesser beings..

@Ric Dees, you've brought in an angle which would be bitter pill to swallow to many.

I asked about killing of children and women in Palestine, and the Western media was quiet. I asked here if those children were of lesser beings.

BBC reported lately, this can no longer be ignored

guru267
#79 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:47:40 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
Yes we always expect our policemen and intelligence services to act swiftly to stop and preferably preempt any terrorist acts but the way the French police handled the situation was hopeless, worse than even how kenyan cops handled Westgate.

So the two thugs parked their car on the road, walked to the offices, which were supposedly guarded by the police and shot the cartoonists, then walked out. The first responders were 3 cops on bikes and when they saw the AK47s they ran away. The cop who was shown on the video was in a car and was reversing to run away when they shot him. He got out of the car and started pleading for his life but the thugs finished him off. More policemen turned up but the thugs shot at them and then the thugs drove off, slowly joining the paris city traffic so as not to arouse any suspicion and disappeared.

It is unbelievable that such a thing can happen in the developed world, and in the center of Paris. This shows that confronting and stopping terrorists isnt as easy as many think, especially the "bloggers" and media. Maybe we shouldn't blame our cops so much when some kenyans are attacked in some far off bushes.


Its wrong to blame police when attacked by individuals with MILITARY training from a place like Syria!

The whole attack from beginning to end lasted only 10 minutes...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#80 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:50:42 PM
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Ric dees wrote:

This is a very complex issue and i choose to see beyond the chaste views. This 3 guys were well trained (evidence by the way they moved, covered each other and held the AK's (defenitely some form of Military training)
However this were not lone wolves - this is part of a wider movement in the West that is just fed up of the way Muslims and Islam is portrayed. There are frightenly pararells we can compare between the perception of the Jews in the 30's (which brought about anti-semitism) and as a result the annilation that took place and what people think of Islam (Muslims)

Earlier this week 18k - 18 freeking thousand people matched i Dresden to protest against Muslims/Islam, What is strange is there hardly any muslims in Dresden or even Mosques but 18k people thought its wise to do this - rem Merkel Government is far right but rightly condemned this guys..

What this discussion has morphed into is Immigration and the consequences - the bottom line lots of people in Europe have been dis-enfranchised (overtaken by the times and by hard working Immigrants) what is happening is they are blaming Immigrants for taking their jobs and Religion, which brings me back to the situation in 1930's - people thought the jews were well to do and occupied all plum positions and there were of a " different" religion and naturally resentment grew and the rest well its well documented via the actions of one Adolf Hitler.

This is what the Muslims are feeling - i am not holding brief for them but dare i say i think i understand.

What i find hyprocritical against all of us and indeed the western media in early Dec 145 children (most were children) were killed by Taliban in Pashewar - Pakistan and what happened.... or are those lesser beings..


The Holy Prophet (saw) predicted that towards the end of days the only safe place for Muslims would be Mecca and Medina.
This is slowly starting to play out since Islamophobia is about to be added as a word to the English dictionary!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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